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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Strangelove View Post
    Even in Virginia people would recognise that word as the equivalent of the "N" word. It's been banned for decades. When I was in medical school I had two roomies from Louisiana, one white, one "high yaller". The white guy kept calling the black guy a "coon ass". Funny thing is the black guy finished, the white guy didn't.
    Not sure what this has to do with Virginia...?

    BTW, I've never actually heard anyone say "coon ass". Only read it in a novel about cajuns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBIUS View Post
    Come on, the moment any of you lot get a gun in your hands, your eyes glaze over with this overwhelming urge to shoot **** up! There has to be some kind of childish desire to own and shoot guns - I bet you get a hard on every time you touch one - do you think you might be secretly gay?

    Dude, about 1/3 of the American populace are gunowners. Of that number, a great many do not go to the range that often. The Shotgun either sits in the closet or the handgun sits in the nightstand.

    I reiterate, "In Wales does 'virtually the entire____' mean the same thing as '1/3'"?

    And shooting guns is Fun, like driving fast cars, riding motorcycles, etc. Do you yell and froth at the mouth "HURRRGH SECRETLY GAY" whenever Top Gear comes on?

    Even the people that are supposedly responsible in your country are far too trigger-happy - like the Empire State incident! Like all the US military friendly fire incidents - your armed forces are well known for being considered indiscriminately trigger-happy since at least WWII...
    Don't confuse "trigger-happy" with "looser ROE".


    Not really, no, I don't think so with your country, sadly enough...
    Quite a bit. You couldn't even be arsed to figure out how much of the American public owns firearms and you decided to throw phrases like "virtually the entire populace" around.


    The Straight Dope: 'Fighting ignorance since 1973'...

    That entire article is a tour de force in ignorance! Virtually the whole article is wrong, especially the Tony Martin piece (apparently the only story they could find on this subject) which seems to have been twisted out of all proportion to suit the fallacy that the UK is a far more dangerous place to live than the US!
    Now would be a good time for you to admit that you didn't read it very closely. It Tony Martin was referenced because it was asked about.
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    All this talk of shooting has given me a hard on. I'm heading off to the range to shoot my incredibly violent appliance.







    It's black fiber glass with a scope on it, so MOBIUS probably thinks it's a "military style assault weapon".
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    Quote Originally Posted by kentonio View Post
    Have you ever been to Wales?
    It's fairly obvious he's never been outside of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post
    Now would be a good time for you to admit that you didn't read it very closely. It Tony Martin was referenced because it was asked about.
    Putting the Tony Martin bit completely aside, the article says 'Violent crime jumped by two-thirds between 1998 and 2003'. That is a complete lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentonio View Post
    Putting the Tony Martin bit completely aside, the article says 'Violent crime jumped by two-thirds between 1998 and 2003'. That is a complete lie.

    Violent-crime-rates-UK-1981-to-2007.png
    He's confused by the fact that in 1998 they changed the way crime figures were calculated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post
    All this talk of shooting has given me a hard on. I'm heading off to the range to shoot my incredibly violent appliance.
    It's black fiber glass with a scope on it, so MOBIUS probably thinks it's a "military style assault weapon".


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    Quote Originally Posted by kentonio View Post
    Putting the Tony Martin bit completely aside, the article says 'Violent crime jumped by two-thirds between 1998 and 2003'. That is a complete lie.

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    1995 looks like a party year ... what was the event?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MOBIUS View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaShi View Post
    It's fairly obvious he's never been outside of America.
    I've been to Canada and Mexico.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeson View Post
    1995 looks like a party year ... what was the event?
    I don't actually know why there was such a big spike there. Maybe it was a bad year for reality TV or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kentonio View Post
    I don't actually know why there was such a big spike there. Maybe it was a bad year for reality TV or something.
    We probably counted crime differently that year and then realised that wasn't such a good idea after all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post

    Big words from a guy whose country saw violent crime go UP with more stringent gun control and the removal of the right to self-defense.

    You might want to try looking at articles not written in 2004. Guess what's happened to the crime rates since then?
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    Kentonio- please could you add a link for the graph? I'd like to look at the source and methodology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeson View Post
    1995 looks like a party year ... what was the event?

    If that graph is based on the BCS figures, it was probably the inclusion of a self-complete module in the survey in order to improve reporting of sensitive crimes such as domestic violence and sexual offences.
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    Armed bystander stops stabbing outside school

    SAN ANTONIO - A woman is in critical condition after she was stabbed outside her child's school Tuesday morning.

    The attack happened around 10:00 a.m. Tuesday outside the Bonham Academy on St. Mary's Street. Teresa Barron, 38, had just dropped off her child at the school when the child's father showed up, and the two got into an argument. The child's father, 38-year-old Roberto Barron allegedly then stabbed the woman several times in the upper body and neck area.

    Police say a bystander who happened to be a concealed handgun license holder pulled his weapon and ordered Barron to drop the knife. Barron surrendered and was taken into custody by the bystander and a school district officer.

    The woman was taken to San Antonio Military Medical Center.

    Barron was arrested for aggravated assault, and is in jail on a $150,000 bond.
    http://www.woai.com/news/local/story...rbElEBOTQ.cspx

    The headline says "stops" not "prevents", so I guess that works, though as it is there's at least one unintended interpretation. I suspect he may have prevented a kidnapping and Amber Alert.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traianvs View Post
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-19372533

    This is like those terrorist attacks in Israel/Iraq/Afghanistan. After a while everyone thinks it's normal.
    So what are US policy makers going to do about this random violence do you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugs ****ing Bunny View Post
    Kentonio- please could you add a link for the graph? I'd like to look at the source and methodology.
    Sorry man I can't remember the source, I was the reading up on some stuff and came across that chart.

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    News of a shooting in NJ is just breaking.


    We'll have new carnage to talk about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wezil View Post
    News of a shooting in NJ is just breaking.


    We'll have new carnage to talk about.
    O you think? Like I said earlier

    After a while everyone thinks it's normal.
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    Normal doesn't make it any less sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider View Post

    Nice gun!
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    Was on the tram in Geneva today with a soldier who had a gun in plain sight. Made me feel a little uncomfortable. Odd, given that I've been fine when I've been around cops with guns in plain sight.
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    I don't feel 100% comfortable around cops with guns, either. Anybody capable of ending my life or a life of a family member with very little difficulty makes me nervous. Too many stories of police brutality - and I have a lot of respect for the police, but it just takes one - to be that comfortable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lonestar View Post
    My next one is going to be a Henry Golden Boy. I am Yankee American Cowboy, da?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wezil View Post
    News of a shooting in NJ is just breaking.


    We'll have new carnage to talk about.
    Did the police shoot most of the victims again?
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    Not the story I read.

    Shooter killed two then himself.
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    92-year-old Verona man shoots intruder at home

    VERONA — Earl Jones had just turned off his new TV shortly after 2 a.m. Monday when he heard a bang in the basement.

    The 92-year-old Boone County farmer walked eight paces to get his loaded .22 caliber rifle from behind the bedroom door. He unwrapped a beige cloth and returned to the living room, sitting in a chair with clear view – and shot – of the basement door, waiting with the gun across his lap.

    Some 15 minutes later, when he heard footsteps moving closer up the stairs, he raised the rifle to his eye. The intruder kicked open the door. Jones fixed his aim on the center of the man’s chest and fired a single shot. The Boone County Sheriff later announced the death of the intruder, Lloyd (Adam) Maxwell, 24, of Richmond, Ky.

    “These people aren’t worth any more to me than a groundhog,” Jones told the Enquirer. “They have our country in havoc. We got so many damned crooked people walking around today.”

    Two men with Maxwell, Ryan Dalton, 22, and Donnie Inabnit, 20, both of Dry Ridge, were charged with second degree burglary and tampering with evidence. Police say they removed Maxwell’s body from Jones’ Violet Road home.

    The Boone County Sheriff had no information Monday night on whether Jones would be charged, but he appeared clearly to act within Kentucky’s legal definition of justifiable force in the defense of his home and property.

    An investigation is ongoing. Police haven’t said if the intruders were armed.

    Kentucky, like at least two dozen states, has a “Castle doctrine” enshrined in its laws. That’s the right to defend one’s home with deadly force.

    Kentucky law allows the use of physical force if someone believes it’s needed to prevent criminal trespass, robbery, or burglary in their house.

    Some states, including Kentucky, have expanded the Castle doctrine in recent years, giving people the right to use deadly force outside of their homes.

    Called “no retreat” or “stand your ground” laws, they do not require an individual to retreat before using force and allow the individual to match force for force, including deadly force, in public places. Florida’s “stand your ground” law is at the core of the Feb. 26 shooting death of black teen Trayvon Martin by crime-watch volunteer George Zimmerman.

    The number of killings nationally of a felon during the commission of a felony by private citizens has increased in recent years, from 196 in 2005 to 278 in 2010, acording to FBI Uniform Crime Report statistics.

    Two high-profile cases of justifiable homicide took place regionally in recent years.

    In January, an 84-year-old Hamilton man shot and killed an elderly intruder at his home in the 2700 block of Hilda Avenue and was not charged. In March 2007, a Covington man fatally shot an intruder whom he said was beating him in his home at 3:30 a.m. and was not charged, either.

    'I aimed right for his heart'
    In Earl Jones’ mind, his actions are justified, as well. He said he was completely within his rights to defend his life and ranch home on the 500-acre farm he has worked since 1955.

    “I was hoping another one would come up – I aimed right for his heart,” Jones, who served in the U.S. Army Air Forces from 1941 through ’46, told the Enquirer Monday afternoon. “I didn’t go to war for nothing. I have the right to carry a gun. That’s what I told the police this morning.”

    Not long after the shooting, Kenton County Police responded to a call on Courtney Road of a man who had been shot. There they found Maxwell’s body and two uninjured men in a 2001 Chevrolet Impala who later, during questioning, would admit to being at Jones’ home on Violet Road.

    The break-in was the third Jones has experienced on his farm this year. In April, thieves stole 90 head of cattle from the field behind his house. In August, burglars took from his house a television, a few thousands dollars cash and a personal check they unsuccessfully tried to cash and ripped his phone out of the wall.

    “I can’t leave the damn house to do my work outside,” said Jones, removing his World War II veteran cap with his right hand and running his left through his thin white hair.

    Jones has lived alone since his wife, Virginia Pearl, died in 2006. The couple had no children. Jones grew up hunting squirrels in Boone County and volunteered for the forerunner to the U.S. Air Force in 1941. He went through weapons training in the military.

    He is not happy that police took the rifle used in the shooting.

    “How am I going to protect myself if they come back looking for revenge?” he said.

    Maxwell fell back seven steps onto a landing. Jones didn’t pursue them into the basement.

    He called a neighbor and calmly said, “I need help. I just shot a man,’” he said.

    At the same time, the two unhurt intruders, Dalton and Inabnit, fled Jones’ property with Maxwell’s body. Not long afterward, having driven across the county line, they called Kenton County Police with a bogus story of how Maxwell had been shot.

    When Boone County Sheriff’s deputies arrived at Jones house, they found the basement door ajar and no one except Jones in the home.

    Jones didn’t like how deputies treated him. “They stood down there with their guns on me, yelling, `Get your hands up! Get your hands up!’” he said. “I told them, `I’m not putting my damn hands up.’”

    Finally, he did. Police approached up the long gravel driveway, flanked by a field of tobacco that Jones rents to another farmer, and questioned him.

    “Was I scared? Was I mad? Hell, no,” Jones said. “It was simple. That man was going to take my life. He was hunting me. I was protecting myself.”
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    Good for him.

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    If it is the desire of the country for there to be fewer mass shootings, the obvious answer is for businesness to produce a product superior to guns.

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