Reply With QuoteCould you take the oil argument back to that thread and get the **** out of this one?
Real world practicality like "oh man it is so hard to put oil on boats and sail them around the world."
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Could you take the oil argument back to that thread and get the **** out of this one?
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I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
Which is why Asher works on the commodity trading floor.
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The "logistical concerns" are renting boats and having them dock in Louisiana and New Jersey. Yes, it takes work, but really? Five years? The United States won World War II in less time than that.Originally Posted by Asher
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Is Canada also losing the benefit from selling that oil for the same time period?
Yeah. Just load up the oil on boats.
Do you not watch the news at all?
Look how ****ing hard it is to even build a pipeline over one province...look how ****ing hard it is to get tanker sailing rights on your coasts. Do you know how many years it takes to build a modern supertanker? Do you know what kind of pipeline capacity they require? Do you know how ****ing hard it is to build massive pipelines across a country when every single ****ing state opposes it?
You guys have no clue how the industry works. None. You have no idea the complexities involved in the industry. We're talking about aboriginal rights, provincial/state rights/laws, federal states/laws, environmental laws, politics, and projects on the orders of trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of workers. This is not a matter of "put oil on a boat and ship it".
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Quite obviously, yes it is.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
It's hard enough to get them to sit still. Every time the argument comes up, they display remarkable ignorance and arrogance and through the magic of groupthink, believe they're correct.
Besides, it's certainly a more entertaining discussion than taxes and deficits. Long story short, republicans want to tax the poor and benefit the rich and democrats and to tax the rich and give away money to the poor. Blah blah. Find some new arguments.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
More interesting, less interesting, who the **** cares. The point of having 'threads' in a 'forum' is to separate these discussions so that those of us who actually want to discuss a specific thing without reading about another thing can do so.
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I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
Don't worry, they're done now and have nowhere to go again. HC will bring it up again in a couple weeks and pretend like this never happened.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
And how does this prevent you from taking a couple extra tankers and running them across trade routes that already exist?
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Well, for starters, you need a ****load more than a "couple tankers".
Secondly, do you really think that there are dozens of tankers sitting idle? They cost a FORTUNE to build and insure, they do not sit idle...
Thirdly, do you think that the port facilities have the capacity to store millions of extra barrels of oil?
Thirdly (point 5), do you think there are enough tanker berths for the huge increase in tanker counts in port?
Fourthly, do you think the pipelines from the gulf inland are high enough capacity to offload the extra barrels?
Fifthly, do you just instantly build a pipeline large enough inland from the ports (which do not even come close to existing)? Those refineries are depending on oil coming inland from Canada -- that's how the tens of billions of dollars of infrastructure was developed.
You and Kuci and Jaguar are clearly simpletons. I've no other explanation for this stunning display of stupidity.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
We got lunch.
And yet, none of what asher is saying seems to be able to explain the fact that oil prices trivially account for the very things us "simpletons" are describing.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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We can build more tankers.
Do you think our ports all operate at capacity all the time?Thirdly, do you think that the port facilities have the capacity to store millions of extra barrels of oil?
Thirdly (point 5), do you think there are enough tanker berths for the huge increase in tanker counts in port?
Funny thing, we can move oil on ships, but we can also move oil on trains. And trucks!Fourthly, do you think the pipelines from the gulf inland are high enough capacity to offload the extra barrels?
Who is talking about pipelines?Fifthly, do you just instantly build a pipeline large enough inland from the ports (which do not even come close to existing)? Those refineries are depending on oil coming inland from Canada -- that's how the tens of billions of dollars of infrastructure was developed.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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See, the fundamental problem with Asher's point is not that these problems don't exist, but that they are very solvable and the market reflects that.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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What, exactly, is your hypothetical? That (for all practical purposes) Alberta vanishes into a black hole for a few years? Yeah, sure that would probably cause some short-term disruption. So what? That's true of almost every populated region in the first world (including shitholes like Michigan).
The hypothetical you've traditionally argued is one where Alberta decides, in a fit of pique, that it will refuse to sell oil to the US and sell it to China instead. In which case... yes, the "just put the oil on a boat" argument works fine.
Pwned.
Now we can get back to why capital gains taxes suck!
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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I'm not referring to market prices at all. The fact that you still are demonstrates your lack of understanding of the debate at hand.
The market can solve this, but not in the short-term. Something Kuci just conceded in the "pwnage" you referred to. If it's fungible in the short term, you just replace it with something else.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
That "something else" would be the strategic oil reserve. We have oil speculation in the US, too you know.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Not in the short term.
Really damn close to, yes.Do you think our ports all operate at capacity all the time?
You sure can. Just like how you can snap your fingers and create all of the infrastructure to load/unload/store the oil from those train cars.Funny thing, we can move oil on ships, but we can also move oil on trains. And trucks!
The man in this conversation who understands the industry in question.Who is talking about pipelines?
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Asher, the other day a grain truck crashed and caught fire on I-66 and blocked traffic for several hours. Do you think that shock to the local grain market made grain any less fungible? That supply is gone! We can't just make a new truck in the short term or replace the grain.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Asher has correctly observed that a serious shock to the oil supply chain could potentially cause a disruption on the scale of a few months while infrastructure is built up. Which is what happened when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans. But even the entire province of Alberta refusing to sell oil to the US couldn't do more than mess us up for a month or two while we did super-complicated things like rent oil tankers and renovate trainyards.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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It's not a few months. This is what you do not comprehend. It'll be years.
Again, you do not understand the industry or its complexities. Or even simple logistics.
This is not a matter of ivory tower economics. It's a matter of logistics, politics, and infrastructure.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
Anyone who compares the capability to refine and transport millions of barrels of oil per day across an entire continent with the crash of a grain truck is, frankly, an idiot.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
OY!
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"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
Is he wrong?
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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THAT IS HARDLY THE POINT
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
I'll never forgot our annual golf outings to central and upper mich. Some of the most beautiful courses you can imagine.
Normally when you're sitting at the banquet after the golf outing you're looking at the prize table and checking out all the golf clubs, sports chairs, wines, and vacation packages.
There, the prizes were mostly rifles, shotguns and the special raffle prize was a 38. (which came with a carry permit) The one vacation prize was a daddy daughter hunting trip (archery).
It was quite different than I was used to. One of our foursome pulled up in the parking lot and pulled out a garbage bag full of deer jerkie for us to snack on. All day he spewed racists crap. Later I had to remind him that I was one of those wops he was *****ing about. (his reply was that at least I wasn't a sand nigger) Yes, quite touching.
But all in all there were a lot of great people and I wouldn't consider the whole state a **** hole.
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