Reply With QuoteSo what you're saying is that the whole case on which Citizens United was based is in fact a fraud, and that Super PACs are indeed just an extension of campaign spending?Originally Posted by Hauldren Collider
According to the graph, it's been in the neighborhood of 65-35 to 70-30 for nearly 6 weeks.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
So what you're saying is that the whole case on which Citizens United was based is in fact a fraud, and that Super PACs are indeed just an extension of campaign spending?
Yes yes yes. Fetch the fainting couch and smelling salts. How terribly insightful, no one had ever made that connection before.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
He also supported Sauron but Republicans don't want to talk about that.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
What is even more worrisome is his professed support of the Death Eaters.He also supported Sauron but Republicans don't want to talk about that.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
Nope. The case it was built on is still totally accurate. The question really had nothing to do with whether or not the organizations were separated from the candidate.
But yes, they are obviously an extension of campaign spending. So what?
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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No **** Sherlock, but considering we've had to sit through months of hearing how its all about freedom of speech, it'd be nice to hear an admission that its about nothing more then massively increased campaign funding via the back door.
It's been fluctuating between abound 61-39 and 65-35, it only pushed up to the 70s in the last week I think?
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Hasn't been below 63-37, minimum, since the last week of June.
"My nation is the world, and my religion is to do good." --Thomas Paine
"The subject of onanism is inexhaustable." --Sigmund Freud
How does that even make any sense? If the candidate has any control over the spending of the Super PAC, then it's an illegal campaign contribution. That couldn't be any more relevant.
Because that kind of campaign contributions are still illegal for goodness sake. The whole (idiotic) basis of Super PACs was that they were somehow going to be magically completely seperated from the capaigns and merely an extension of free speech.
I knew it!!
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
Obama is not in control of Priorities USA Action, the super PAC responsible for this ad. Priorities USA Action is run by Bill Burton, a former deputy press secretary in the Obama White House and national press secretary for the 2008 Obama campaign, who does not work for Obama. There's no evidence that Obama or his campaign approved this ad starring a man who had previously told his story on an Obama campaign conference call. Get your fact straight.
nvm
Last edited by Hauldren Collider; August 10, 2012 at 17:53.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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I'm looking forward to Romney's policy discussions.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
[QUOTE=kentonio;6140542]No **** Sherlock, but considering we've had to sit through months of hearing how its all about freedom of speech, it'd be nice to hear an admission that its about nothing more then massively increased campaign funding via the back door.[/q]
That's not an admission. First, those who assert that these laws restrict free speech are doubtless concerned to see each candidate free to express his or her views. Restricting their ability to use money fund their campaign is precisely one such restriction so far as they are concerned. Second, ultimately the legal responsibility for an ad put forward by an independent supporter or supportive group rests with that group. It's their choice to keep backing a candidate and put forward his views. The fact that they coordinate with that candidate is not to the point.
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"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
Finally, the voice of reason has arrived.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
It's illegal.
DaShi (August 11, 2012)
It may be, kemosabe, but that's (once again) not to the point so far as the principle of thing is concerned.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
So much reason!
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
DaShi (August 12, 2012)
Probably one of the best typos ever.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Hmm, that's not as bad I was expecting.
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
The real reason Romney picked Ryan -
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Look at all the kids Romney could kill!!!
There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.
And eat!
“As a lifelong member of the Columbia Business School community, I adhere to the principles of truth, integrity, and respect. I will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do.”
"Capitalism ho!"
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There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.
Wait a tic, Mormons don't kill and eat children. I was thinking of Russians.
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Romney, a Mormon, would have wed JonBenet. Note that Ryan has a school aged daughter that might not have a betrothal.
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There's nothing wrong with the dream, my friend, the problem lies with the dreamer.
I believe the article below is Paul Ryan's first editorial since his VP selection. Dude seems confident.
When Mitt Romney selected me as his running mate, I knew the Democratic attack dogs would come out in full force. They would say I’m a right-wing ideologue. They would say my views on entitlement programs are far too radical. They would say putting me on the ticket immediately kills Mitt Romney’s chances of becoming president because I’m a liability. But if we’re being honest with each other—if we’re able to put aside the talking points for a few minutes and say what we’re all actually thinking and feeling—I believe we can acknowledge the real truth here.
I’m young, I’m handsome, I’m smart, and I’m articulate. And that scares the ever-loving **** out of you. You can pretend like you have this thing in the bag, but you know good goddamn well that this race just got real interesting, real fast.
It’s okay to admit it. You’re frightened to death of me. It might actually be healthy for you to face your fears now rather than later, when Mitt and I are leading by a few points in the polls and it looks like this thing might end badly for you. Face it: I’m not some catastrophe waiting to happen, like a Sarah Palin or a Dan Quayle. On the contrary, you have the exact opposite fear. I’m a solid, competent, some might say exceptional, politician.
Did you get nervous when you read that last sentence? Is it because you know in your heart of hearts that it’s 100 percent true? Is it because, even if you strongly disagree with my beliefs on Medicare, Social Security, women’s rights, and marriage equality, you know my talent as a speaker and my well-thought-out approach to these issues—no matter how radical and convoluted you find them—might just be enough to win over independent voters?
Do you get chills just thinking about how strong my appeal actually is?
I have another question for you: How scared are you that I can convince people I’m right? Because I’m good at it. No, I’m really good at it. You see, I know how to turn up the charm and charisma without putting people off. Then I back up what I’m saying with arguments that, when they come out of my mouth, sound completely accurate and well-reasoned. And I do it with such passion that people automatically recognize me as a man with deep convictions he will stand up for, no matter what.
The American people love that ****. They love it.
Passion, intellect, and a magnetic personality. Pretty damn intimidating combo, if I say so myself. You want to talk about polish? Man, I’ve got polish for miles. Oh, and by the way, I’ll go ahead and say this next thing because, if we’re being honest, why the hell not, right? In case you haven’t noticed, I’m white. Hoo, brother, am I white.
Yup, you should be scared shitless of me, because guess who isn’t? The people of Wisconsin. They love me. Republicans and Democrats there love me. Hell, I get Democrats to vote for me even if my policies make zero sense when it comes to their livelihoods. Do you know why? Because they like me. They like my story. Young, good-looking kid who pulled himself up by his bootstraps to make something of himself. Christ, I'm a storybook candidate. I balance out this ticket so well it’s almost too perfect. The people of Ohio are going to think that. And seniors in Florida—the state we supposedly lost when Mitt picked me—won’t be so scared as soon they know that my mother lives in Florida, and that all I want to do is reform the health care system so she can receive care that makes good fiscal sense.
Boy, I’m going to sell the **** out of that talking point. And I’m going to do a great job of it. Why? Because I’m Paul Ryan. That’s what I do.
And if we’re having trouble getting Pennsylvania on board, just wait until I absolutely wipe the floor with Joe Biden in the vice presidential debates. Don’t think for a second that I don’t know you’re terrified of us facing off, because in the back of your mind you know it could be a bloodbath up there.
Well, that’s 77 electoral votes, and by my math that means you can kiss your golden boy goodbye after four short years. All that promise. All that energy. All that potential. Gone in one November night.
I’m your worst ****ing nightmare.
Oh, and by the way, don’t even try to pretend you haven’t imagined me being elected president one day.
Admit It, I Scare The Ever-Loving **** Out Of You, Don't I?
Parody Ryan has my vote
"tout comprendre, c'est tout pardonner"
Parody Ryan with shite just got real speech.
"Just puttin on the foil" - Jeff Hanson
“In a democracy, I realize you don’t need to talk to the top leader to know how the country feels. When I go to a dictatorship, I only have to talk to one person and that’s the dictator, because he speaks for all the people.” - Jimmy Carter
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