Reply With QuoteWhat motivation would these women have to lie about it?
Just as many men expect. 'She said' is the only burden of proof you need.
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The 22-year-old was charged with four counts of rape by instrumentation, but he was acquitted on two of those counts. Jurors, who deliberated for about eight hours, recommended that he be sentenced to a year in prison for each of the rape counts. His formal sentencing is set for Aug. 24.
Payne County prosecutors accused Williams of groping the two women and reaching inside their pants without their consent during a party in December 2010. With little physical evidence to bolster their case, Assistant District Attorney Jill Tontz had to rely on testimony from the two women.
" 'No' means just that: It means 'no,' " Tontz said during closing arguments earlier Monday. "These girls felt dehumanized, embarrassed."
Both women testified during the trial and said they identified Williams as their attacker after police showed them a photo of the Cowboys basketball team. One woman said Williams held her against her will and dragged her in a yard. She said the attack happened in the basement of the house and that no one came to her aid.
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What motivation would these women have to lie about it?
Woman is hornyOriginally Posted by gribbler
Woman has sexual relations
Woman doesn't want to be called a slut/doesn't like the sexual relations
Woman lies about rape
Not seeing how a woman wouldn't lie...
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Let's not forget the recent Brian Banks ordeal. The alleged victim admitted 10 years later that she lied for profit.
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"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
I'm sure that since it was two of them, that their testimony carried a bit more weight.
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Al, You should definitely bring this up on your next date
"So what do you do in your free time?"
"I get mad at women for hypothetically lying about being raped"
so these women was so horny that when they weren't sexually attacked, they invented false accusations as revenge
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American legal system... how does it work?"During jury selection, Assistant District Attorney Jill Tontz asked potential jurors if they would be able to convict someone if there were no physical evidence, such as DNA or fingerprints, and no injuries were suffered during an alleged assault."
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"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Surely this is indecent assault and not rape anyway? I'm a bit concerned over how the law has been applied here...although I could be wrong with US law...
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I'll bet that if it was possible to read thoughts, then the US legal system would send most of the US males to prison for rape
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He also serves a life sentence as a sex offender.
Not saying he didn't do it, but that would really up the ante if I were on a jury.
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This thread right here is an example of why you can't find a girlfriend Alby.
You can't see any reason why she wouldn't want to go to trial in an attempt to put an innocent person in prison? Like the massive hassle of going to trial, the risk that people won't believe her, and the guilt from putting an innocent person in jail? All that just so no one will call her a slut when probably no one cared about it until she claimed it was rape? Really?
Oh, even better, "the sex was terrible so I'm going to accuse you of rape". Yeah that's realistic.
No wonder he's a virgin - he's worried that premature ejaculation is going to land him in prison.
"Sorry about that, please don't break up with me..."
"Why would I break up with you just because you're bad at sex? It's much easier to accuse you of rape instead."
Tell that to Brian Banks. Tell him and his accuser who admitted lying (and faced no charges for doing so) that it's not realistic.You can't see any reason why she wouldn't want to go to trial in an attempt to put an innocent person in prison? Like the massive hassle of going to trial, the risk that people won't believe her, and the guilt from putting an innocent person in jail? All that just so no one will call her a slut when probably no one cared about it until she claimed it was rape? Really?
Oh, even better, "the sex was terrible so I'm going to accuse you of rape". Yeah that's realistic.
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"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
Generally the rate for unfounded rape allegations is ~8% according to the FBI.You can't see any reason why she wouldn't want to go to trial in an attempt to put an innocent person in prison? Like the massive hassle of going to trial, the risk that people won't believe her, and the guilt from putting an innocent person in jail? All that just so no one will call her a slut when probably no one cared about it until she claimed it was rape? Really?
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Edit: Question answered
My question is where was the evidence of conviction?
Last time I posted a thread on the Brian Banks case, I was told that the conviction rate for rape is low because a lot of cases wind up as 'he said, she said' without any evidence.
Here, there was no evidence but 'she said'. And yet, conviction.
Explain please.
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"I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi
the vagaries of a jury trial, ineptitude of the defending lawyer, the defendant was a jackass, judge is a man hating dyke who swung the case the prosecutor's way, the fact that multiple women came forward with similar stories. Could be any, all of those things.
Of course people will lie for money. You haven't any such reason why the testimony (given by multiple people!) in this particular case is unreliable aside from your belief that women will accuse people of rape if they regret having sex or it doesn't meet their expectations.
Typical of Alby -- drawing massive, blanket conclusions based on a single anecdotal incident.
In his world, the fact that one guy gets falsely convicted of rape = all women claiming rape are liars and sluts.
Seriously, buy some perspective, man. I think they sell it on the Internet.
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There's a what, 64/10000 chance that both of these unrelated women are lying?
Albie, you're willing to die on a hill for those odds?
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Of course all you twit laymen are missing the real problem in the case, the photo identification with no other corroboration. If combined with less than stellar procedure for the photo line up, and this "police showed them a photo of the Cowboys basketball team" if accurate, indicates piss poor procedure, generates a large majority of false convictions. Damn near every false conviction uncovered in Texas was made this way, and a large portion of those rape and sexual assault cases. A state commission has been cracking down on unreliable evidence procedure such as this for a few years.
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Do you think women would rather be known as a rape victim than someone who had sex?
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I've seen these "he said she said" cases in practice Albie and my firm has acted for defendants. It ain't so, and I'll bet you it ain't so in America either. Juries are generally quite sensible. They have the opportunity to mull over the facts and examine the witnesses. We don't.
Over here the cases that hit the headlines are just the famous ones--the ones that make for a good story to tell, that reflect either an error or a terrible crime. But most cases aren't famously controversial or wrong. Take these hypotheses about sacredness with a grain of salt and ask yourself, using your own knowledge of society and how people think, whether a jury would just slam the jail cell on someone on the basis of a "mere" accusation. It's never this simple.
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Even in this case it's not one woman giving evidence but two of a similar act at the same party, neither of whom appears to have known the other.
Of course all you twit laymen are missing the real problem in the case, the photo identification with no other corroboration. If combined with less than stellar procedure for the photo line up, and this "police showed them a photo of the Cowboys basketball team" if accurate, indicates piss poor procedure, generates a large majority of false convictions. Damn near every false conviction uncovered in Texas was made this way, and a large portion of those rape and sexual assault cases. A state commission has been cracking down on unreliable evidence procedure such as this for a few years.
the ID procedure is not unsound if it was known that basketball players from that team were at the party-and he was at the party, he seems to admit that. There's no express admission of that in the article but he did give a statement to police that he didn't know what happened in the basement where this allegedly occurred. Most likely that's the case because he admitted to being at the party itself but denied being in the basement.
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"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
This.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier
I can't judge any of them because I don't know what happened. I just hope the truth comes out and they punished the right person.
the rape conviction rates (if you take into account those cases that don't go to trial) suggests that a woman's word is worth almost nothing in court and even with enough other evidence to go to court the conviction rates are low.
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We've got both kinds
Explain this case, then. Explain Brian Banks. Explain what appears to keep happening.
And it's not that these are high profile cases. These are stories broke by ESPN because the defendants were athletes. What about all the stories that ESPN doesn't report on?
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