American veterans who cut through the bullshit.

[gribbler]

Did the people of Palestine, who apparently weren't a British colony, decide for themselves to let the Jews carve a country out of their territory? That was very generous of them.

[Al B. Sure!]

That was part of the mandate. It was stated in the preamble.

[Al B. Sure!]

I wonder if you think Austria was a German colony because the Germans controlled them from 1938-1945? Czechoslovakia?

But those were actual annexations. Britain and France never annexed Palestine/Syria/Egypt.

[gribbler]

That was part of the mandate. It was stated in the preamble.

It sure sounds like foreign domination. If the word "colonization" is what you take issue, fine, I can call it something else like "imperialism". The point is that the Arabs got pwned.

[gribbler]

I wonder if you think Austria was a German colony because the Germans controlled them from 1938-1945? Czechoslovakia?

But those were actual annexations. Britain and France never annexed Palestine/Syria/Egypt.

I certainly think the Third Reich was imperialistic.

[Al B. Sure!]

Austria was a German colony for 7 years then. Austria is a victim of European colonialism.

Weird that the Arabs got pwned when Britain/France never fought them but in fact fought WITH them in WW1.

[Oncle Boris]

We went to war because it was popular. Afterwards, it became unpopular because it didn't go as well as people hoped. They rationally updated their beliefs about the war once they saw the results.

Sure, and they didn't cheerleader it.

[regexcellent]

Colonization is settling your nationals overseas. Imperialism is annexing a country to extract its resources for the economic benefit of the home country. In the cases of the Middle Eastern Commonwealth of Nations mandates, neither happened, just as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Al B. Sure!]

Colonization is settling your nationals overseas. Imperialism is annexing a country to extract its resources for the economic benefit of the home country. In the cases of the Middle Eastern Commonwealth of Nations mandates, neither happened, just as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Indeed.

[gribbler]

Colonization is settling your nationals overseas. Imperialism is annexing a country to extract its resources for the economic benefit of the home country. In the cases of the Middle Eastern Commonwealth of Nations mandates, neither happened, just as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

So settling people in, say, Palestine would have been colonization?

[Al B. Sure!]

So settling people in, say, Palestine would have been colonization?

Settling British nationals in an area annexed by Britain... that would be colonization.

Letting Jews from around the world settle in Palestine is just immigration.

[regexcellent]

If they had been British people, then sure. If you're implying Jewish settlement of Israel was colonization, bear in mind that the British did their very best to prevent as much legal immigration as they could of Jews from anywhere.

For the record, I don't think colonialism was bad.

[gribbler]

Settling British nationals in an area annexed by Britain... that would be colonization.

Letting Jews from around the world settle in Palestine is just immigration.

Yes... they "just immigrated" and eventually declared independence and seized most of the land without the consent of the local inhabitants. Definitely not colonization!

Well that settles it I guess, the Palestinians were never wronged and should shut up.

[regexcellent]

The fact that the Arabs didn't get most of the land is their own fault for not accepting the UN partition plan.

[Al B. Sure!]

The fact that the Arabs didn't get most of the land is their own fault for not accepting the UN partition plan.

That's moot because the Israelis would have gone conquering anyway. They were set in their ways.

[Hauldren Collider]

All of it is moot because the Israelis are in Israel now and even if it was a mistake for them to settle there (and I don't think that it was), it's not possible to go back in time and change the decision.

Arguing whether Israel's creation was just or not is utterly pointless and irrelevant. It's a ****ing canard, a sideshow from the real issue which is Palestinian terrorism.

[MOBIUS]

"My name is Greg Miller. I am dumb because I joined the army voluntarily. I am especially dumb because I joined the US army."

[gribbler]

All of it is moot because the Israelis are in Israel now and even if it was a mistake for them to settle there (and I don't think that it was), it's not possible to go back in time and change the decision.

Arguing whether Israel's creation was just or not is utterly pointless and irrelevant. It's a ****ing canard, a sideshow from the real issue which is Palestinian terrorism.

It's only relevant when Palestinians start claiming they were never colonized and historically they've been the colonizers.

[MrFun]

Letting Jews from around the world settle in Palestine is just immigration.

[Serb]

We went to war because it was popular. Afterwards, it became unpopular because it didn't go as well as people hoped. They rationally updated their beliefs about the war once they saw the results.

American thinking. Popularity as the reason to start a war of aggression and to kill hundreds of thousands if not a million.
Dumb Murders. All of you. And you are surprised about anti-Americanism all around the World?

[Serb]

What difference would it make if they were colonies?

OMG. Like they are not.

[Serb]

Austria was a German colony for 7 years then. Austria is a victim of European colonialism.

Bullsh!t.

[Serb]

Colonization is settling your nationals overseas. Imperialism is annexing a country to extract its resources for the economic benefit of the home country. In the cases of the Middle Eastern Commonwealth of Nations mandates, neither happened, just as in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Bullsh!t again.

[Serb]

For the record, I don't think colonialism was bad.

You've made yourself clear, Nazi.

[Serb]

Yes... they "just immigrated" and eventually declared independence and seized most of the land without the consent of the local inhabitants. Definitely not colonization!

Well that settles it I guess, the Palestinians were never wronged and should shut up.

Blame Stalin, he is responsible for the creation of Israel.