Apolyton Fantasy Football (not soccer damnit)

[Ben Kenobi]

I guess we're waiting on Jag's settings but since we're "idp" we'll have our own settings for defense

Hopefully we dont cause any imbalances with the offense

I don't see why we should wait for him - IDP has always had our own settings.

Edit, what Jag said.

[Berzerker]

pardon me, the auction league

and thats a live draft in late august

[SlowwHand]

Has a league started sign up for IDP? nm. I see. No.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

EPW wont be playing this year either

so who volunteered to run the IDP?

I'll be glad to help, or even co-commish

I guess we're waiting on Jag's settings but since we're "idp" we'll have our own settings for defense

Hopefully we dont cause any imbalances with the offense

Yeah, if I can get the previous commish to add me I can get this year going.

[Berzerker]

start a new league

here's last year's settings

QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DB, DB, DL, LB, LB, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

Offense
Completions 1
Incomplete Passes -.5
Passing Yards 25 yards per point
Passing Touchdowns 6
Interceptions -3
Sacks -0.5
Rushing Yards 10 yards per point
Rushing Touchdowns 6
Receptions 1
Reception Yards 20 yards per point
Reception Touchdowns 6
Return Yards 20 yards per point
Return Touchdowns 6
2-Point Conversions 2
Fumbles Lost -3

Kickers
Field Goals 0-19 Yards 3
Field Goals 20-29 Yards 3
Field Goals 30-39 Yards 3
Field Goals 40-49 Yards 4
Field Goals 50+ Yards 5
Field Goals Missed 0-19 Yards -2
Field Goals Missed 20-29 Yards -1
Field Goals Missed 30-39 Yards -1
Point After Attempt Made 1
Point After Attempt Missed -1

Defensive Players
Tackle Solo 1
Tackle Assist .5
Sack 2
Interception 3
Fumble Force 2
Fumble Recovery 3
Defensive Touchdown 6
Safety 4
Pass Defended 1
Block Kick 3

let the discussion begin!

somebody said 20 yds/pt for returning kicks was too much, bumping it to 25 or 30 is reasonable, and I'd like to vote on adding TE to the flex spot

and if reducing the impact of QBs is desired, why not making pass tds 4 pts?

[Koyaanisqatsi]

I'd been hoping to keep continuity with the last one, though it's not really that important.

I have no problem with adding TE to the flex spot, and agree that returners should be nerfed somewhat - I'd go further to 1/50 though, just because there's no fantasy position for "returner" and it distorts the value of the players at other positions. I think that the QBs are ok as is though. There's certainly a general upward trend, but I think last year was a bit of an aberration in how huge the jump was. I could see pulling the yardage scoring back a bit if others feel differently.

[Ben Kenobi]

I'm fine with leaving the settings as is. I drafted one of the best 'returners' and got burned when he got injured.

[Jaguar]

I'd been hoping to keep continuity with the last one, though it's not really that important.

I have no problem with adding TE to the flex spot, and agree that returners should be nerfed somewhat - I'd go further to 1/50 though, just because there's no fantasy position for "returner" and it distorts the value of the players at other positions. I think that the QBs are ok as is though. There's certainly a general upward trend, but I think last year was a bit of an aberration in how huge the jump was. I could see pulling the yardage scoring back a bit if others feel differently.

1/50 for returners is definitely a positive in my view. On other changes: I'm willing to play under most reasonable settings, so I'll leave it to other IDP people to discuss exactly how we want things to go.

[Al B. Sure!]

On another forum, someone posted about being in a ppr league at work that awarded 1 per 10 return yards Darren Sproles with #1 pick?

[Sparrowhawk]

At risk of being ridiculed for suggesting the bizarre.....it seems that strategy of defensive players is to pick them (largely) after you pick most of your offensive players. I'd like to see us UP the points for defense, and encourage people to take defensive players earlier (and change up the strategy significantly as a result).

/me

[Ben Kenobi]

Sparrow, the reason for that is simply because of point differential. The dropoff between the number one defensive lineman and the waiver wire is far less than the dropoff between the number one quarterback and the waiver wire.

Even if you were to up the points - you'd still see people take quarterbacks et al first, and then move onto the defense. It's also much harder to predict how they will do.

At risk of being ridiculed

FFS - this is the time to bring something like this up!

[Jaguar]

I approve of Sparrow's suggestion, for what it's worth.

[SlowwHand]

I also agree. Each position should be awarded the same level of potential.

[-Jrabbit]

Defensive points are already fairly liberal, and we increased defensive value by going from 3 to 5 roster spots a few years back. Average points per week is around 30-35 IIRC. I consider 40 pts to be a good week on defense.

Current settings:
Tackle Solo 1 pt
Tackle Assist 0.5 pt
Sack 2 pt
Interception 3 pt
Fumble Force 2 pt
Fumble Recovery 3 pt
Defensive Touchdown 6 pt
Safety 4 pt
Pass Defended 1 pt
Block Kick 3 pt

I can see upgrading the value of turnovers and sacks a bit, but there's only so much one can do.

[-Jrabbit]

BTW, we need EPW to check in, start the league, then officially hand off the commish duties to Koya at Yahoo.

[Ben Kenobi]

If we're going to do this, here's my proposal:

Tackle Solo 2 pt
Tackle Assist 1 pt
Sack 4 pt
Interception 5 pt
Fumble Force 5 pt
Fumble Recovery 5 pt
Defensive Touchdown 6 pt
Safety 5 pt
Pass Defended 2 pt
Block Kick 5 pt

D'Qwell would have 294 points.

[-Jrabbit]

Personally, I think that is over the top. Way over.

[Ben Kenobi]

Personally, I think that is over the top. Way over.

Well, that's what it would take to get the top defensive players up to about the same as the top Running backs, etc. Even then, you wouldn't see a defensive player in the first 4 rounds.

[Berzerker]

epw aint around and wont be playing

[-Jrabbit]

Well, that's what it would take to get the top defensive players up to about the same as the top Running backs, etc. Even then, you wouldn't see a defensive player in the first 4 rounds.

I understand it was a trial balloon, Ben. Just sayin' I would oppose it.

Re EPW, he didn't play last year either. He agreed to be commish when I resigned that honor. And as last year's commish, he holds the key to restarting the league. Yahoo wouldn't let me do it. Berz, is EPW unreachable? Is so, I'll have to email Yahoo for help. (The IDP league has history going back to '07, so it would nice to continue that imho.)

[SlowwHand]

Damned EPW. He's a constant thorn in my side.

[MRT144]

got room for one more in the auction league. who wants this.

[Al B. Sure!]

When is the draft?

[Sparrowhawk]

When is the draft?

.

[Al B. Sure!]

Or I should say auction?

[demonbinder]

Any idea when the AFC online draft will be held? I am busy the weekend before season starts and hope that we can do it two weeks before (Aug. 25th or 26th). If it has to be 9/1 or 9/2 I can try to make the time, but week before is preferred.

[MRT144]

Or I should say auction?

August 20th 9 PM EDT

And its full now. So too bad.

[Zopperoni]

At risk of being ridiculed for suggesting the bizarre.....it seems that strategy of defensive players is to pick them (largely) after you pick most of your offensive players. I'd like to see us UP the points for defense, and encourage people to take defensive players earlier (and change up the strategy significantly as a result).

/me

This is not a scoring issue IMO. Adjusting the scoring for defenders would benefit the collective, but would completely miss the point of rewarding great players for their performance.

Defenders have a lower priority because there are fewer true top performers.

Here's a performance breakdown of the top 25 RBs and top 25 LBs from 2011 (season point totals):

• RBs: The difference between RB1 and RB6 last year was a whopping 108 points (over the entire season), and the difference between RB7 and RB25 was still 49.85 points
• LBs: The difference between LB1 and LB6 last year was only 16 points, and the difference between LB7 and LB25 was only 30 points.

We're pickier when it comes to offensive players, because there are actual true top performers.

It's also psychological: as long as a defender's expected performance is within a certain range, most of us don't really care who that defender is.

[Berzerker]

i sent EPW a pm asking him to make Koy the commish

[-Jrabbit]

All he needs to do is start the league with same settings as before and let us know. When Koya joins, EPW can go to Change Commisssioner under the Commissioner's Tools tab. (Commish must be a league member.)

Alternately, Koya can just start a "new league" and use the "Use settings from another league" tool, which will offer Poly IDP FF11 as one of the options (since Koya played in the league). But we would lose the Yahoo league history, so it would be nice if EPW made this easy for us.

Thanks for PMing him.