Reply With QuoteActually, they are requiring that the Catholic schools teach that homosexuality is good. Odd that Asher leaves that particular fact out.
Or that's what many Catholics will have you believe.
Ontario is passing an anti-bullying law, which the Catholic Church is naturally opposing, because such laws go against everything Christianity stands for (right?).
They're throwing a tantrum over a clause which allows students to form Gay-Straight Alliance clubs in public schools, clubs that exist to promote inclusion for gay students who are very frequently bullied and ostracized.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/comme...rticle4226019/
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/comme...rticle4217419/Ontario Archbishop chooses the wrong cause to play the martyr
This week, Cardinal Thomas Collins, the Archbishop of Toronto, issued a long statement protesting against the Liberal Ontario government’s announcement that its anti-bullying legislation, Bill 13, will include specific language protecting school groups supporting gay students. In an important reversal, the bill now states that the students must be allowed to call their clubs Gay-Straight Alliances (GSAs) or a similar name if they so choose.
No more euphemisms. If anyone’s interested, the names The Sensitive Youth Association, The Just-Haven’t-Met-the-Right-Girl-Yet Choristers and The Very Close-Knit Society of Right Girls are now up for grabs.
Sadly, Cardinal Collins seems to view this admirable move, born of long consultation with students, as tantamount to forcing the junior kindergarten to hold story time down in the catacombs. “When religious freedom becomes a second-class right, you also will eventually be affected,” he ominously warned members of other religious groups.
If there’s a God, and he happens to be on the side of the Catholics, I’m pretty sure he responded by saying something like “Nooooo!” and banging his head against a cloud. Clearly, if one had a vested interest in keeping the Catholic school system alive, one would seek to draw as few comparisons as possible between Catholics, who receive $7-billon annually in provincial funding for their schools, and other religions, whose schools receive none.
The Cardinal may not get as much sympathy as he is expecting from the general public on this matter: When it comes to religious freedom, most people draw a clear distinction between you going to whatever church picnic you choose and the rest of us being forced to cater it.
I imagine there are groups out there who would gladly call their school Our Lady of RuPaul to get a piece of the Catholic-school budget, so it might not go over well to all, but add yourself to the long list of Catholic martyrs because you’re being told that it’s impossible to create a welcoming, inclusive, safe environment for gay students if you won’t even let them use the word “gay.”
This might be the wrong fight to pick: Polls show that most people in Ontario support the existence of GSAs.
GSAs don’t make kids gay. No one says, “I don’t have anything after school on Tuesdays, and I can’t play chess. I think I’ll be gay!”
These clubs are being founded by students who have specifically identified the bullying of gay students as a distinct issue and who aim to offer peer support because most people, and ironically Catholics are very big on this one, are against suicide – which is too often the outcome of being gay, alone and bullied at school.
I’m skeptical of Cardinal Collins’s claim that Catholic schools can be “loving and welcoming places for everyone” when the Pastoral Guidelines distributed by bishops to aid Catholic schools in dealing with issues of sexuality state that “sexual activity which is outside marriage cannot be condoned, and is taught by the church to be immoral. This includes masturbation, fornication and adultery, and sexual activity with a person of the same sex.”
Catholic doctrine is – and once again, they have been very frank about this – entirely incompatible with the idea that gay sexuality is as valid as any other form of human sexuality. Therefore, the teachings of that church are incompatible with equality as defined by our laws. In a secular society, this conversation should have ended 15 years ago.
By fighting so hard against its own students’ compassionate impulses to help one another, the Catholic school board is hastening a battle it will inevitably lose.
I don’t believe for a second that the Cardinal, or most other Catholics, want gay kids to be tormented in their schools. The problem is that dealing with the issue “using methods that are in harmony with the faith we cherish,” as the Cardinal asks to be allowed to do, means that an exceptionally vulnerable minority will be told that it is a sin to act on or even fantasize about any attraction to a member of the same sex at any point in their lifetime.
Going to school every day under the weight of being a walking, breathing sin is bound to cause hopelessness. And when we invest in education, a state of hopelessness is the very opposite of what we hope to achieve.
These young people aren’t asking merely for tolerance of something church authorities deem to be a sin. They’re not asking for non-sinners’ prayers to be aimed at healing their most profound longings – in essence, at who they are. They’re asking to be safe, equal and gay, gay, gay.
Say it a few times. You’ll get used to it.
For more awesomeness that the Catholic church brings, see this article: Catholic board bans rainbows.Gay-straight alliances should be allowed their own name
Denying gay students the right to join a club with heterosexual students under the name gay-straight alliance is deeply harmful to them. That is what Ontario’s publicly funded Roman Catholic schools insist on doing. They would deny the very young people at risk of bullying the right to send out an invitation to a club under their own name. They would impose on the historic victims of teen bullying a continued isolation.
It is in this context that Ontario has amended its new anti-bullying law to require that all schools, including Catholic ones, allow gay-straight alliances under that express name, if the students so wish. Constitutional rights do not stop at the Catholic schoolhouse door, especially where the group is young and vulnerable, and needs the protection.
Thomas Cardinal Collins, the Archbishop of Toronto, calls that amended law an attack on religious freedom. The Archbishop has called on members of all religious faiths to stand up against this perceived attack.
“If it happens to us, it can happen to you, on this and other issues,” he wrote in a missive posted on a church website. “When religious freedom becomes a second-class right, you also will eventually be affected.”
Let’s put this in perspective. All that’s being asked is that a vulnerable group of youths be able to meet under the name that makes them vulnerable. The province is trying to live up to the spirit of its anti-bullying law, which in its first version, introduced last fall, would have permitted schools to bar the name gay-straight alliance – a kind of “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy of non-acceptance.
This is no mere abstract debate. It’s about helping gay teenagers, or the children of gay parents, build protective bridges for themselves in a world from which they have often felt cast out. Leaving out one group of victims defeats the law’s purpose. And Ontario has an overriding interest in protecting all young people.
Resolving the tension between the Catholic worldview and modern constitutional rights means something has to give on one side or the other. The state has a right, and perhaps even a duty, to insist that public money not be put toward discriminatory uses.
Actually, they are requiring that the Catholic schools teach that homosexuality is good. Odd that Asher leaves that particular fact out.
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
sexual activity which is outside marriage cannot be condoned, and is taught by the church to be immoral. This includes masturbation, fornication and adultery, and sexual activity with a person of the same sex.”Lose what? The ability to teach that sodomy is sinful? This has nothing to do with 'acceptance' and 'equality' and everything to do with attacking the Church for sticking to her principles.Therefore, the teachings of that church are incompatible with equality as defined by our laws. In a secular society, this conversation should have ended 15 years ago.
By fighting so hard against its own students’ compassionate impulses to help one another, the Catholic school board is hastening a battle it will inevitably lose.
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
So, does this mean that the catholic church only is prohibited from speaking out against homosexuality, masturbation and the like only in public school, that are run by the catholic church (and are still allowed to preach against said things outside of public schools [i.e. in catholic masses and/or sunday schools])?Originally Posted by Ben Kenobi
If this is the latter, so what? You can still order the catholic parents of your school children, to send the kids to mass/sunday school and then double your efforts, to convince the kids in mass/sunday school, that homosexuals/masturbaters/sexual active people outside of marriage are sinners who will burn in hell
Society wins, as public schools now all teach the same secular view of the world, but you (catholics) still have places, where you can teach children in the catholic way of thinking (just not within public schools anymore)
Your point being..?Actually, they are requiring that the Catholic schools teach that homosexuality is good. Odd that Asher leaves that particular fact out.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God? - Epicurus
Anti-bullying laws are an absolutely ridiculous infraction on free speech.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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Pure BS. This has to do with the simple fact that the RCC are obliged to follow the law when it comes to public schools. If they want to preach bigotry they still are free to do that in their churches.
With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.
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Letting students form an organization called a "gay-straight alliance" instead of being forbidden from using the word "gay" is an absolutely ridiculous infraction on free speech?Anti-bullying laws are an absolutely ridiculous infraction on free speech.
Maybe, but that's irrelevant in Canada where there is no right to free speech.Anti-bullying laws are an absolutely ridiculous infraction on free speech.
Good point.
If there is no sound in space, how come you can hear the lasers?
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If Catholics want to continue bullying homosexuals, they're not allowed to do it on the public dime.Actually, they are requiring that the Catholic schools teach that homosexuality is good. Odd that Asher leaves that particular fact out.
They are being required to not condemn homosexual students, not bully them, not assault them, and not ostracize them. Homosexuals are protected by the Canadian constitution from such discrimination, and as those schools are funded with public dollars, they cannot discriminate against homosexuals.
I left nothing out. You are just intentionally misrepresenting things.
The whole point to this is the Catholic schools are suppressing free speech.
Spoken like a true American Idiot.Anti-bullying laws are an absolutely ridiculous infraction on free speech.
I suppose you protest all laws pertaining to death threats, inciting public panic, etc as well?
The important take-away here for Americans is that Canada's constitution is protecting freedom here -- Catholics are trying to trample over the constitutional rights of homosexual Canadians and are being smacked down for it.
To enter this thread and try to make a point about a lack of freedom of speech in Canada is a perfect representation of the kind of failures the American education system is shitting out these days.
Ben Kenobi is a perfect testament to the Canadian education system. They taught a retarded person to read
As has been stated many times, Canada has publicly funded Catholic schools. These schools are run by the Catholic church, and funded by the province. The constitution guarantees both their funding ( at least in Ontario), and their freedom to teach what the Catholic Church teaches (via the School act), and the Charter, which provides for religious freedom.So, does this mean that the catholic church only is prohibited from speaking out against homosexuality, masturbation and the like only in public school, that are run by ]the catholic church (and are still allowed to preach against said things outside of public schools [i.e. in catholic masses and/or sunday schools])?
Gay people don't have a leg to stand on protesting that *gasp*, Catholic schools are permitted to teach Catholic teachings, and to abide by the tenets of their faith. Don't like it? Enroll in one of the multitudes of public secular schools. McGimpy can no more force them to have sodomy clubs, than he can force them to have masturbation clubs.
It's contrary to the Constitution of Canada. So what, indeed. That whole thing which is supposed to guarantee freedoms? Trash that, and where's that little section that forbids discrimination based on sexual orientation? Gone.If this is the latter, so what?
It's funny to see gay people railing against the constitution.
Again, unconstitutional in Canada. Can't change it unless you want to change the constitution. Good luck with that.Society wins, as public schools now all teach the same secular view of the world
Are you willing to purchase all the schools and compensate the Church for fair market value for all of them? No? then I suppose you'll have to leave the Church be., but you (catholics) still have places, where you can teach children in the catholic way of thinking (just not within public schools anymore)
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
The constitution protects the freedom of Catholic schools to teach Catholic teachings and to forbid school activities contrary to the beliefs of the Catholic church. Gay people can whine about it all they like, but they have the freedom to enroll themselves in a school that does agree with them. Freedom, gosh, it's a wonderful thing.The important take-away here for Americans is that Canada's constitution is protecting freedom here -- Catholics are trying to trample over the constitutional rights of homosexual Canadians and are being smacked down for it.
To enter this thread and try to make a point about a lack of freedom of speech in Canada is a perfect representation of the kind of failures the American education system is shitting out these days.How strange is it when the American understands the Canadian constitution better than the Torontonian. Some Canadian!
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
It's the Church who doesn't have a leg to stand on here. There's increasing public opposition to the anachronistic "separate school system", there's increasing distrust of the RCC, there's increasingly fewer Catholics, and there's increasingly positive attitudes towards homosexuality.
Prevention of discrimination against sexual orientation is enshrined in Canadian constitution. The Church cannot do so with public dollars.
As is discriminating against homosexuals.It's contrary to the Constitution of Canada.
Push comes to shove, what do you think's going to happen? The vast majority of people in Canada are not Catholic, and the vast majority of people in Canada are opposed to the treatment of homosexuals by Catholics.
This is not a battle the Catholics should be picking. They're going to see to the removal of the whole separate school board.
Errr. Who is railing against the constitution here?It's funny to see gay people railing against the constitution.
Can't discriminate against gays in the constitution either. In any courtroom, the right to freedom of discrimination and harassment will trump the anachronistic public funding of Catholic schools.Again, unconstitutional in Canada. Can't change it unless you want to change the constitution. Good luck with that.
The Church doesn't own those schools -- the public does.Are you willing to purchase all the schools and compensate the Church for fair market value for all of them? No? then I suppose you'll have to leave the Church be.
Unfortunately the province of Ontario is constitutionally obligated to provide funding for Catholic schools, and Catholic schools are permitted to teach their faith. Sucks to be you. Want to change that - good luck overrunning minority rights for people that you don't like. That has a funny way of biting you in the ass.If Catholics want to continue bullying homosexuals, they're not allowed to do it on the public dime.
They are being required to do something contrary to their rights under the Charter.They are being required to not condemn homosexual students
If the Constitution doesn't matter anymore - then the Catholic church is permitted to expel students for being gay as the Charter no longer applies.
As are Catholic schools protected by the same Constitution, which permits them to be funded by the public.Homosexuals are protected by the Canadian constitution
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
Only saying this one more time.
Catholic schools cannot discriminate against homosexuals. Regardless of what anachronistic treaties from centuries ago may state.
By fighting this, Catholics have punched a ticket on the train to unification of the systems and the elimination of public funding. Make no mistake - it's entirely possible, and FAR more likely than Canada deciding it's okay for gay students to be bullied if their parents chose to send them to a Catholic district.
You're some kind of retarded.
The province of Ontario is passing a law changing that, and you pretend like they won't. You think if the Church takes it to court and says "but a treaty from centuries ago said we can harass and bully gays all we want!", the Canadian court system is going to shrug and acquiesce?
There's no way the church can win here.
FWIW, there are already provinces which have eliminated Catholic school districts. It's entirely possible, and the more the views of the Catholic bigots diverges with a progressive Canadian society, the more likely the Church makes it that other provinces follow Manitoba's lead. That was challenged by the church as well, with accusations flying about how it was unconstitutional. The courts dismissed the arguments. It even went all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada.
Do you know how long ago that was?
Over 110 years ago.
Actually, yes, they do. Their right to do just this is protected by the Charter, and by the constitution which provides public funding for the Catholic schools (at least in Ontario).It's the Church who doesn't have a leg to stand on here.
Yeah, and given the fact that separate schools were established to protect a Catholic minority - the constitutional protections were enacted for a reason.There's increasing public opposition to the anachronistic "separate school system", there's increasing distrust of the RCC, there's increasingly fewer Catholics, and there's increasingly positive attitudes towards homosexuality.
Good luck with that, btw.
Even if you manage to remove public funding, the Church is either going to get compensated for the buildings that they built, or they are going to get to keep the buildings, but the province will no longer fund them.
They absolutely can. The Charter protects religious freedom, and the constitution, at least in Ontario, provides for the establishment and funding for the separate schools. Gay people can simply attend a school that agrees with them.Prevention of discrimination against sexual orientation is enshrined in Canadian constitution. The Church cannot do so with public dollars.
Not so. The Catholic church is upholding their religious freedom to teach what the Church believes. This includes the part that says that sodomy is sinful.It's contrary to the Constitution of Canada. As is discriminating against homosexuals.
Really? Good luck with that. There's a reason you've never put anything for a vote.Push comes to shove, what do you think's going to happen? The vast majority of people in Canada are not Catholic, and the vast majority of people in Canada are opposed to the treatment of homosexuals by Catholics.
What will happen is that you'll try to get a court decision put against the Catholic church. It will go to the SCOC, and the Supremes will uphold the separate schools, and that will be that. Taking rights away from people that you don't like isn't what the gay movement was supposed to be about Asher. You told me we would be left alone. I called you a bullshitter. Seems I was right that the gay movement wants to crush any and all opposition.
It's not about expanding rights, it's about taking them away from people that you don't like.
I hope the gay rights movement continues to push for taking rights away from unpopular minorities.
You don't seem to understand that this is a battle that has been fought for close to 200 years in Ontario. You think it's only just now that Ontario has expressed prejudice towards Catholics? It's only rather recently that Catholics have superceded Protestants in Ontario, and we can't have that, can we? Good luck with fighting the Church - you'll lose every time.This is not a battle the Catholics should be picking. They're going to see to the removal of the whole separate school board.
Religious freedom permits separate schools to ban events held on school grounds contrary to what the Church teaches. Sodomy clubs are no more permitted than masturbation clubs. If they did permit masturbation clubs and banned sodomy clubs, you'd have a case.Can't discriminate against gays in the constitution either.
Gay people aren't being discriminated against. Sodomy and events that promote sodomy are. A gay person is permitted to attend and participate in clubs to his liking, as would any straight person. The policy treats straight people the same as gay people.
What the policy does not say - and this is the part that has you mad - is that the Church can condemn sodomy without condemning those who choose to practice it.
Good luck with that. Like I said, you haven't the least inkling what you are fighting against here. You're fighting to take rights away now.The Church doesn't own those schools -- the public does.
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
You're so stupid you don't even know when you're being ****ed, Ben.
Right now secular Canada is taking you and other hardcore Catholics, bending you over, and ripping you a new one and you're completely ignorant of what's going on around you.
I'm going to sum up what you don't understand. Canada has laws against hate speech, Canada loathes intolerance, and Canada is increasingly non-religious. The sad song and dance that the Catholics can no longer bully gay students is not going to win you any sympathy with the courts, nor with the public.
Other religions are bitter that the Catholics get separate treatment and offer no assistance, and secular Canada wants to do away with the separate schools as it is.
The Catholic Church has woken a beast, all over an anti-bullying act which lets students offer support groups to bullied students. What a way to make a stand, Catholics.
BTW, Ben - can you cite the part of the Constitution Act of 1867 which actually states that Catholic schools in Ontario are free to teach every aspect of their religion, including those which trample more fundamental rights?
Because from what I see, it does not exist: http://www.solon.org/Constitutions/C...h/ca_1867.html
Basically it says "yeah, Education is not our thing, it's a Provincial thing. But to make Quebec happy, here's some bullshit:"
93. In and for each Province the Legislature may exclusively make Laws in relation to Education, subject and according to the following Provisions:--
(1) Nothing in any such Law shall prejudicially affect any Right or Privilege with respect to Denominational Schools which any Class of Persons have by Law in the Province at the Union:
(2) All the Powers, Privileges and Duties at the Union by Law conferred and imposed in Upper Canada on the Separate Schools and School Trustees of the Queen's Roman Catholic Subjects shall be and the same are hereby extended to the Dissentient Schools of the Queen's Protestant and Roman Catholic Subjects in Quebec:
(3) Where in any Province a System of Separate or Dissentient Schools exists by Law at the Union or is thereafter established by the Legislature of the Province, an Appeal shall lie to the Governor General in Council from any Act or Decision of any Provincial Authority affecting any Right or Privilege of the Protestant or Roman Catholic Minority of the Queen's Subjects in relation to Education:
(4) In case any such Provincial Law as from Time to Time seems to the Governor General in Council requisite for the Execution of the Provisions of this Section is not made, or in case any Decision of the Governor General in Council on any Appeal under this Section is not duly executed by the proper Provincial Authority in that Behalf, then and in every such Case, and as far as the Circumstances of each Case require, the Parliament of Canada may make remedial Laws for the due Execution of the Provisions of this Section and of any Decision of the Governor General in Council under this Section.(50)
93A. Paragraphs (1) to (4) of section 93 do not apply to Quebec. (50.1)
Then you should have no problem successfully arguing against me.You're some kind of retarded.
The law will either, 1, not pass, 2, go to the supremes after appeals are filed, and get struck down. You really think that the SCOC is going to approve taking rights away from people?The province of Ontario is passing a law changing that, and you pretend like they won't.
You really think that the SCOC is going to eliminate separate schools? That's got as much a chance as succeeding as removing official bilingualism. IE, not going to happen.You think if the Church takes it to court and says "but a treaty from centuries ago said we can harass and bully gays all we want!", the Canadian court system is going to shrug and acquiesce?
Excellent murray.There's no way the church can win here.
Such as?FWIW, there are already provinces which have eliminated Catholic school districts.
Well, sure. Back in 1890, in the height of the Riel Rebellion. Things are different now.It's entirely possible, and the more the views of the Catholic bigots diverges with a progressive Canadian society, the more likely the Church makes it that other provinces follow Manitoba's lead. That was challenged by the church as well, with accusations flying about how it was unconstitutional. The courts dismissed the arguments. It even went all the way to the Supreme Court of Canada.
Laurier permitted Catholicism to be taught in Manitoba public schools, and that's how it's been ever since. Since then, Catholic school boards have been established in Alberta, Saskatchewan and in BC (1970).
Absolutely, I'm aware of the Manitoba Schools Act. It's interesting legislation that accomplished the goal of establishing a protestant majority west of Quebec. However, things change, over the course of 110 years, and they were re-established later on.Over 110 years ago.
Now with Ontario having more Catholics than Protestants, it's going to be an interesting next while.
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
I just did.Then you should have no problem successfully arguing against me.
Just as the SCOC took away the rights for Catholics to assault their wives, they will take away their "rights" to bully gays. Either way something has to give. The constitutional right of gays to be free of harassment or discrimination, or the politically convenient anachronistic right for the "Catholic minority" to have a separate school district. Considering they're not trying to take the district away, there's no wording in the constitution which promises that Catholics can harass and bully people as per their beliefs.The law will either, 1, not pass, 2, go to the supremes after appeals are filed, and get struck down. You really think that the SCOC is going to approve taking rights away from people?
There are a lot of parallels here to same sex marriage cases, which is an example where all courts agreed with the homosexuals vs the church.
The odds of the Supreme Court of Canada ruling in favour of protecting a vulnerable demographic protected by the constitution instead of an organization famous for child rape and cover-ups...are pretty high.
No, I'm quite well aware of that. Why do you think I've always said that the gay rights movement isn't about giving people rights, it's about taking them away from people. I'm glad to see you proving me right with every post. IRight now secular Canada is taking you and other hardcore Catholics, bending you over, and ripping you a new one and you're completely ignorant of what's going on around you.
Canada also has laws protecting religious freedom. Whatcott's protests have been upheld, and the Tribunals have been found to have overstepped their mandate. Laws, are laws, Asher. What we are seeing is that the proponderance of Laws are establishing that Christianity isn't hate speech and expressing Christian teachings doesn't qualify as hate.I'm going to sum up what you don't understand. Canada has laws against hate speech,
Nonsense. Canada thrives on intolerance. Canada bends over to protect intolerance, subsidizes intolerance and supports wholeheartedly anyone who preaches intolerance. In Canada the tail wags the dog.Canada loathes intolerance
And so? You're saying that because people hate religion that we should celebrate hating religion? Isn't that what I said about Canada loving intolerance?and Canada is increasingly non-religious.
So what you are saying is if a parent sends their child to a Catholic school - that they have a right to complain when the school teaches Catholic teachings? That raises the question - why are you sending your child to a Catholic school in the first place? Did they not know it was a Catholic school? Or did they know, and they are simply attacking the Church for her beliefs?The sad song and dance that the Catholics can no longer bully gay students is not going to win you any sympathy with the courts, nor with the public.
See, am I supposed to close my eyes and believe that this school was chosen at random? Bullshit. Same as always, go to a person that you don't like, slip and fall, and sue them for as much as you can possible get out of them.
There are plenty of schools that will teach what you want to get out of them. Why are they inadequate for educating the people?
How's it like in India? Are all religions treated the same there? How about China? How about Pakistan? The Sikhs are complaining about living in a country that allows them to buy land?Other religions are bitter that the Catholics get separate treatment
If they don't like living in Canada - they can leave.
Same thing to secularists. You want to live under state secularism - go live in China.and offer no assistance, and secular Canada wants to do away with the separate schools as it is.
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
They can no more take away their right to say that sodomy is sinful, then they can command them to proclaim that Mohammed is a prophet. Egypt is trying that, doesn't seem to be working very well for Egypt. Been trying that there for 1400 years.Just as the SCOC took away the rights for Catholics to assault their wives, they will take away their "rights" to bully gays.
See, that's the thing about religious freedom - oppressing people for their religious beliefs just doesn't work.
Not so. The SCOC can say that gay people have the right to have their child educated in a secular public school - a right that they already possess, and Catholic have the same right to have their children educated in a Catholic public school. No discrimination. You want to take other people's rights away - good luck with that.Either way something has to give.
Same section applies to Catholics too.The constitutional right of gays to be free of harassment or discrimination
It's called the constitution. The same thing that protects 'sexual orientation', also protects Catholics.politically convenient anachronistic right for the "Catholic minority" to have a separate school district.
That's exactly what you're trying to do - take rights away from people that you don't like.Considering they're not trying to take the district away
Catholic schools are not required to host the Vagina Monologues. Catholic schools denying the request to hold the Vagina Monologues on campus, does not amount to discrimination - no more so than Catholics being permitted to have freedom of religion., there's no wording in the constitution which promises that Catholics can harass and bully people as per their beliefs.
See, the same sword cuts both ways. You're perfectly ok with intolerance and hatred and bigotry towards Catholics. You're a poster child for the gay rights movement.The odds of the Supreme Court of Canada ruling in favour of protecting a vulnerable demographic protected by the constitution instead of an organization famous for child rape and cover-ups...are pretty high.
Scouse Git (2) LaFayette Adam Smith and Solomwi you will be missed
"Learning carries within itself certain dangers because out of necessity one has to learn from one's enemies." - Trotsky.
"I don't consider any of them authoritative" - Kidicious on Scripture.
You are delusional and a terrible human being. It takes a special kind of ******* to characterize anti-bullying efforts as "taking away people's rights". Allowing gays to marry doesn't take away your rights. Protecting gays from bullying and harassment doesn't take away your rights. Allowing students to form a Gay-Straight Alliance doesn't take away your rights. You are trampling on everyone else's rights in the name of your ****ed up make-believe faith while crying that anyone stopping you is taking away your religious freedom. You and your ilk are exactly why Christianity is starting to become a bad word. You besmirch the name of genuinely good Christians.
Canada is too good for you. Enjoy Texas. They deserve you.
At least Texas isn't dumb enough to give public funding to Catholic schools.
Texas schools may as well be religious schools.
The reason why many provinces have Catholic schools has been explained in other threads. It entirely comes down to placating Quebec while unifying Canada, it had **** all to do with religious freedom. In fact, the Catholic systems are unconstitutional as they violate the terms of discrimination based on religion. Some *******s actually knew that and added a clause to the constitution admitting as such, but saying "but you can't use the religious equality clause to strike this down!"
So while it is technically in the constitution, it's there despite the constitution and the purposes for its existence no longer really exist. It's in danger of being written out. All we need is a good excuse -- one that Ben and his ilk are driven to give us.
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