Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Story Thread 10 - July 2011]

Aztecs (DoE) · July 17, 2011, 16:59

This is absolutely not true. I am not going to check dates and timestamps of messages, but Texcoco was and still is the only captured Azteca city. How you could pretend you want the Azteca territorial integrity be restored in all three messages and then insist that Texcoco was captured AFTER this?

Again twisting of words:

I WAS NOT SAYING THAT TEXCOCO WAS CAPTURED AFTER THIS:

I WAS SAYING THAT TEXCOCO WAS DELIBERATELY DAMAGED AFTER THIS (WHEN THE OTTOMANS TRANSFERED IT 'PEACEFULLY')
and these damages should be payed by the Ottomans..

On a side note: maybe the Russians like to explain why so many units who are fighting alongside the Ottomans are Russian of origin?
So please don't make it sound like you are a 'neutral' party...

Russia (DoE) · July 17, 2011, 18:23

The Ottomans as far as I know had stated they will return you the city peacefully as they were asked by the international society. If you choose to capture it (by the way you foolishly did this to Miami too, damaging it) only to look as a hero, thats all your fault.

Texcoco was captured by the Ottomans and you wanted only it to be returned, but now you increase your demands. Who will negotiate with you seriously with such attitude?

And what a pointless question you ask here - "Why so many units who are fighting alongside the Ottomans are Russian of origin?"
As the best cavalry in the world is the Russian cavalry, called Cossacks, and as Russia have many friends, willing to pay to have suck instruments of war, it is not surprising that the Ottomans have Russian Cossacks in their army. By the way, the very same Russian trained Cossacks were standing in your defense ready to shed their blood under the Inca command. While still on the topic, maybe you will explain how it happens that your illiterate sailors sail ships your illiterate shipwrights cant produce? And how your archers will be trained and armed by the Inca with Machine Guns?

And yet, you did not said anything about your false peace-loving nature with all this wannabe-warmongering and the evidence which you denied to even exist?

Aztecs (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 00:28

When I borrow my car to someone and "I only want it to be returned",
then apparantly it is fine in your opinion that it gets returned heavily damaged.. and I shouldn't complain about it.

(we did NOT capture Texcoco, the Ottomans transferred it heavily damaged to us, with a much larger amount of damages then normal war damages)

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Furthermore it is good we have established the level of Russian involvement in this conflict.

Apparantly you Russians are fine with the escalation of this conflict.
And you do not tell the Ottomans that razing cities and such is a terribly breach of international justice.

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Furthermore: did the Ottomans pay the promised reparations to the Americans?
Although alltogether a much to small amount, and maybe not satisfactory to the Americans it would be a first step..

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And on machine gunners and Inca's we have no such orders at this point. The Inca's have made their offer, we have not decided.

England (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 01:05

Originally Posted by Aztecs (DoE)

(we did NOT capture Texcoco, the Ottomans transferred it heavily damaged to us, with a much larger amount of damages then normal war damages)

There might be some game mechanics misunderstanding here. I'm not entirely sure what you mean by this, but you can't delete buildings, so there is no way for the Ottomans to damage the infrastructure or buildings of the city after they've taken it. It is possible that they slaved the population, though it is possible that isn't an option when a city is in revolt (as in after conquest).

The only damage that is done to cities is done when it is captured via war. I forget what happened, but did you capture the city back or did the Ottomans trade it back? If you captured it then YOU damaged the city. It suffered two conquests and lost even more buildings from this.

Again, there is nothing the Turks could have done, game mechanics wise, to damage the city after they took it. The only additional damage would have occurred from your taking it back.

Inca (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 01:29

Note: we can't give archers machine guns. It makes sense, you see: only soldiers used to hitting things with heavy objects can aim and shoot projectiles; soldiers trained in the arts of aiming and releasing projectiles cannot learn to aim and shoot. They are too used to releasing their fingers to shoot the projectile, and training them to flex their fingers to do it is too confusing!

Mali (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 02:11

Official communiqué of the keeper of the throne of Mali:
ras Imru is puzzled by the fact that friendly nations such as France and the Sons of the Sun (Inca) supplying modern weapons to a nation (Aztec) which has proved hostile to Mali and its allies (Zulu and Turkey). Mali calls on these nations are not unduly inflated Aztec self-esteem because the serpent god worshipers of many start to believe and begin to dream of overseas empires and those of their dreams only bring misery to ordinary Aztecs (reference Texcoco).

Russia (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 03:43

Such a selective statements from the Azteca. They repeat lies and pretend not to be lies, but still they avoid the matters where they are clearly wrong and they have been exposed as such.

When I borrow my car to someone and "I only want it to be returned",

Yes, with the slight difference that Texcoco was a war bounty and not a friendly gift. A war bounty to be returned at all is still an act of good will and it is normal that it will be damaged. And those damages cant be intentional, but they are result of the war.

Furthermore it is good we have established the level of Russian involvement in this conflict.

Really? And what is it? Can you enlighten us all, as I am sure no one understands what you mean.

Apparantly you Russians are fine with the escalation of this conflict.

I think we, the Russians are those who made the most for this conflict to be resolved favorable to you, although you are mad at us for revealing your true colors of warmonger and wannabe-conqueror. If you want to try me, just continue to disregard and insult my efforts. If Russia take off her protection from you and for real desires escalation of this conflict, you will hardly like the situation you will find yourself in and you will see the difference for sure.

And you do not tell the Ottomans that razing cities and such is a terribly breach of international justice.

You continue to repeat one and the same things and completely ignore the facts. The facts are, that Russia, I repeat Russia and no one else in this world is to be credited for the Turkish withdraw and returning of cities to you and to the Americans. Despite we being close friends and allies with the Ottomans, Russia did condemned the conquest and crippling of nations, who obviously cant defend themselves.

Aztecs (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 04:04

We have seen no such statement considering the WAR TO THE DEATH statement the Ottomans made
(#164).

So can we conclude you disapprove of this?

Russia (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 04:20

Of course we disapprove this. We just did not bothered to repeat our position, which we already clearly stated once and for all:

Originally Posted by Russia (DoE)

I, Catherine of Rus,
According the war in North America,
to all the three warring nations,

Decree:

In the interest of the world well-being and the fruitful peace, active fighting, destruction and killing of civil people should stop immediately!

Immediate long term NAP (50 turns) will be signed between America, Azteca and Turkey. In return, Turkey will return all the cities they took from the Azteca and will return the American city of Miami.

I condemn the future savage Turk aggression against nations which obviously cant defend themselves, judging by the string of Turkish victories. No matter what the motives of all this was for the Turks, this does not excuse their actions and it must stop immediately! Russia had never approved hurting nations beyond all repairs and it seems that the Turk's are well able to do exactly this to their opponents.

I advice all the parties take this opportunity for ending the war and rejoice finally with the peace. This is to avoid the need Russia to take more serious measures.

Signed,
Catherine of Rus

However, you Azteca and the Americans continue to play your small tricks, I can decide you are not worthy of my good intentions.

India (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 09:30

Message to Catherine

As you are due to your alliance with the Turks not an impartial party in the Ottoman-American war your involvement creates the perception that you are in fact behind the Ottoman attack. I understand your desire to back up your ally, but by doing so you indirectly involve yourself in the support of the attack which taints your honor. You can not honorably take sides in this matter and simultaneousy claim to represent justice and honor. If you are friends and allies with the Ottomans, then any peace you suggest will be perceived to be to their advantage.

The Americans are wholly innocent and any concession they make to their aggressor is truly dishonorable and unjust. There are many complicated factors in this, but in the most simple analysis, either the Ottomans (and thus everyone else) have a right to attack the weak and take their lands through conquest, or they do not. We understood it that attacking the weak is dishonorable. That supplying the strong with weapons secretly or openly is also dishonorable. Yet your actions now seem to indicate the opposite.

As we seek to emulate Russian honor we request that you please clarify to us what Russian honor dictates in such a situation as we are currently confused.

Ambassador Buvyyaman
Moscow Embassy

Russia (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 09:51

I fear you, Indians are taking my words all wrong.

The Russian honor is this that when I saw that the Turks were about to wipe out the Americans AND the Aztecs, I stepped in and decreed the war to stop and the Turks to keep what they had agreed with the Americans so far. No one is seeing (or is missing on purpose) the fact, that the Americans and the Aztecs still have their countries solely because the Turks preferred to listen to my word and withdraw. No one proficient in the art of war and familiar with the situation could not claim otherwise.

So far for my involvement and my contribution to this war.

On other hand, speaking in principle, I dont see anything wrong if a small nation (the Turks) searches to enriches itself attacking 2 other bigger AND with more rating nations (America and Azteca), supported by 2 other World Powers (France and Inca). |This is seen as a bravery and fighting spirit in the Russian society. We, the Russians are born in the steppe and we are trained to wield weapons from childhood and our understanding being brave and daring is a virtue. On the other hand fighting 2vs1 or 3vs1 clearly shows cowardice and it is considered a vice by the Russians.

No nation can just lay down and enjoy its time, while not caring for its own security, being it with their own man, or with earning the friendship and guardianship of another stronger nation/s. This is my personal opinion too.

Comrade Catherine of Rus.

Ottoman Empire (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 11:29

Update on India-Japan War & Peace Talks:

Let all nations know that each of the three great nations embroiled in this conflict, Mighty China, Great India and Powerful Japan, have all graciously allowed me to assist in resolving their grievances against each other and presented their claims for consideration. I mention this to the world only to illustrate how reasonable all parties involved are behaving. Each party has legitimate claims that they are willing to discuss in good faith. I will be reviewing these in detail and commenting to all parties. I am greatly appreciative of whatever other nations do, or refrain from doing to avoid destabilizing the situation as we move forward. Regardless, these three war foes deserve great credit as examples of nations who keep the annals of diplomacy open. I can only hope my own nation can live up to the class these nations have shown.

Aysecan of Turkey, On indefinite leave, in India

India (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 11:36

Response to Catherine

According to your own words, India is the most courageous nation in the world. We alone fight Japan whose soldiers have Chinese weapons, whose fleet is English and Incan, and when given success is threatened to be attacked by China. Or are we still not understanding the concept?

Russia (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 12:02

Yes, Indians, you are brave. Alas, you were not smart and far-seeing enough in the past to secure the safety of your nation by making the right political movements and befriending the right nations.

India (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 13:54

You do not know your history Catherine.

Ottoman Empire (DoE) · July 18, 2011, 16:54

An Apology, and a Message of Gratitude, from the Sultan:

I have a public message to Louis, King of France, written by the hand of His Majesty, Sultan Ahmed V.

Taner, High Messenger

Great and Merciful Louis, King of France,

Months ago, we concluded the interviews and inspection of the prisoners of war captured at the bloody and infamous battle of Ekron Oasis. I offer my most sincere and heartfelt apologies to France, for not taking the time earlier to express our deep gratitude and gratefulness at this selfless and honorable act. We have been foes in the past and continue to find ourselves at odds, but know that Turkey appreciates your act of goodwill and charity.

In honor of the unspeakable kindness France has shown in returning POWs to Turkey, I make a proposal to all the world.

Henceforth, there should be a rule of international law, that any nation claiming to have captured foreign soldiers or citizens rather than slaughtering them, must be accountable for these lives they claim to have spared. One worker for each type of division they claim to have captured over the course of the war, to be returned to their homeland at the end of the war for no bounty or payments whatsoever. Failure to so account for prisoners shall be considered murder of prisoners and a war crime.

I further propose that this be known as "Louis' rule" or the "French rule of POWs" in honor of France's generous actions.

Let all nations speak their agreement

Ahmed, Sultan

Mali (DoE) · July 21, 2011, 15:01

Official communiqué of the keeper of the throne of Mali:
Mali is pleased to announce to their friends (and foes

that the colonial policy of Mali continues in full force. Bold colonizers of Mali is found on the island of St. Helena, who is now a colony of Mali.

Ottoman Empire (DoE) · July 22, 2011, 22:43

Public Letter to All Nations:

Greetings to all nations of the world. I am Aysecan, Public Relations Minister of Turkey. Some of you may know me already, some may not. For the past few months, I have been on leave, in India, working closely with the great nations of China, India, and Japan, to help find a permanent resolution to their ongoing hostilities. Today I am gratified to report that the parties reached an agreement which is called the India-Japan Limited War treaty. Involved parties are aware of the particulars, but suffice it to say, that the warring nations have agreed to end the war on a specific date and immediately thereafter enter an irrevocable peace. This was made possible by the outstanding diplomacy and reasonable attitudes of all involved, as well as the gracious and patient leadership of China. I ask all nations to cooperate with China in maintaining strict non-interference, to allow India and Japan to reach the end of their war on schedule.

Again, I thank the parties for their class and chivalrous behavior, and I was honored and humbled by the opportunity to be involved in my small way.

Aysecan of Turkey

Arabia2 (doe) · July 26, 2011, 05:56

As someone has said a long time ago:
" A nation that forgets its past is doomed to repeat it "

Yet here we are, do not remember history, the old glory, our friends or foes. We are just hoping that the past we are doomed to repeat was not that bad actually.

Nations of the World,

I, Abdus Salam, king of Arabia, greet you.
We wish to reestablish communications between our people. We wish to learn more about you and maybe we can teach you too about the arabian way of peace- we have heard many of you could use that.
We recently had a revolution, it was peaceful, but still it will be a long process to completely reform our country and society into a modern state. After that we hope we can play a bettter role in keeping the peace and helping others to prosper, to build a nicer world.

King Abdus Salam

Mali (DoE) · July 26, 2011, 10:43

Official communiqué of the keeper of the throne of Mali:
The people of Mali welcomes new leader of Arabia, Mali hopes that between our countries will establish peaceful trade relations, as they always had. regards

The people of Mali harvest of coffee

Native America (DoE) · July 26, 2011, 13:02

Root of the Earth squinted at the photo issued from the Mali government. After some long, careful looks at it, he shrugged and set it aside. "Funny, most of us just pour it from the coffee pot."

Russia (DoE) · July 26, 2011, 20:26

Official note from the Russian Foreign Department:

Russia sends a stark note to all involved in the Central American conflict - directly by waging war - Turkey and Aztecs, or indirectly by sending soldiers and arms to the warring nations - Inca, France and whoever else do this in secret. Russia greatest desire is this conflict to end naturally as it have no more what to achieve and all who are fueling the fire of the war, you better stop doing it, before someone got burned unnecessary badly.

End of the note.

Natasha,
Russian Foreign Department

Mali (DoE) · July 27, 2011, 02:14

Official communiqué of Mali:
With great regret the Government of Mali communicate to his people and all nations in the world that night left us forever on the throne guardian ras Imru, who lived on this earth 86 years and ruled Mali for 26 years. Worship of his mortal remains will take place in the big cathedral "Holy Spirit" after three days. Nobility of Mali will meet in the same day to elect a new keeper to the throne of Mali.

ras Imru died surrounded by his family

Native America (DoE) · July 28, 2011, 10:01

Root of the Earth dreamed. It was harder and harder these days for him to tell the dreams from the reality; he fell asleep often in the middle of the day without even realizing it, and the dreams would take up from where reality left off. Still, he held the seat of rock in the Council, for in his dreams came wisdom. Soon, though, he would dream a dream that he would not wake up from.

This dream was interesting. Often, his dreams challenged him, made him think in different ways, about different things. This was such a dream:

He was working hard at something, though he wasn't sure quite what it was he was doing. There was a sense of urgency about it. He knew he had to get it done or else something bad would happen. But he couldn't focus on what it was he was supposed to do, and he began to grow apprehensive. Around him were others, doing things, but he couldn't quite see what it was they were doing. He tried to get closer to them, but he found his feet strangely unable to do more than shuffle slowly. He wanted to wave to the nearest of them, but he found his hands would not easily move far from his body. He tried to cry out to them, but he found his voice lacking.

Soon, he heard a voice behind him. He wasn't sure what the voice said, but it was clearly an unhappy voice. It grew louder, more demanding, but he couldn't understand it, and he was only slowly able to try and turn to meet it. Before he could, he felt sudden pain along his back, across his shoulders, a stripe of fire that agonized him. Where had THAT come from, he wondered, shaken in his dream self. Rarely were the dreams so disconcerting, so hurtful.

He felt another stinging stripe of pain, this time catching him on the cheek and shoulder. He tried to raise his hands to be in the way. As he did, he noticed something. His hands were chained, it seemed, with links of gold, fine gold which he only now could begin to see. He looked down, and found his legs bound with similar shackles, of purest silver. He reached to his throat and found around it a tightly constricting metal band. He felt another lashing stripe of pain, and realized that it came from a whip, held by someone he could not make out. The whip rose, and fell again, with more pain. He stood there, trying to will the dream to show him who wielded the whip, who the people around him were.

Then, suddenly, he began to grow taller. As he did, around him the shadows, the blurring began to fail. He looked down and saw around him man-things, doing various labors. He saw members of The People, some with whips, some with chains of precious metal, some with nothing but their silver-tongued voices. They were making the man-things work, they were enticing more man-things to work, even, even he saw with mounting discomfort, they were making some who were clearly of The People work. And as he looked down around him, as if from a great height, he saw this happening across the entire land.

He did not understand. Once, back in the dark days so long ago they almost couldn't be measured, The People had taken man-things and made them work as slaves. Too, there were those convicted of offenses against others who had been made to labor such. But The People hadn't used slaves to build things, to work the fields, to pick and till and weed for centuries.

And as he watched, his own chains and links of gold, of silver, of copper began to turn from restrictors to another shape. They merged, and in his hand he held his own whip of precious metal. And around him, the man-things and The People began to shape things he knew The People needed, things they were working on even now. And it dawned upon him that he understood at last what was going on.

At some point, he awoke; waking was hard to recognize from non-waking sometimes. The dream stayed with him; he could still feel the soreness of neck and wrist and ankle. He thought for a long time about what the dream had shown. Then he got up, and went to the door of his dream chamber.

As he moved into his "office", he requested a scribe come to him. It was clear what must be done. The precious metals were not just chains and whips and things, they were money. His People did not directly enslave anyone, but it is possible to force others to do your will with things other than whips and chains. Yes, his People had never given up their enslavement of others, and in so doing, remained enslaved themselves. It was time that changed.

The scribes arrived. He was seated, his eyes clearer than they had seen from him in a long time. He motioned they should start to write.

"On this day, in the forty-seven hundreth and fifty-sixth Year of the Coming of Coyote, it is hereby decreed, that The People, and all man-things, are equal in the sight of the law. They shall not be subject to the will of others, save by choice. They shall be free by right, to work and play as they choose. They are emancipated from bondage, and slavery shall no longer be tolerated in any form among The People.

The penalty for enslaving the will and work of another shall be ..."

Mali (DoE) · July 28, 2011, 14:45

worship ras Imru

Mali (DoE) · July 29, 2011, 10:49

Official communiqué of Mali:
Today, three-hour meeting SLE Supreme Council of Mali opted for a new keeper of the throne of Mali, artillery commander ras Moussa. The general accepted high office and swore to the Patriarch Pavlos that will comply with the laws of Mali and will do everything to bring the people of Mali to prosperity.

The ceremony of inauguration of the Guardian of the throne ras Moussa

Mali (DoE) · July 29, 2011, 10:57

Official communiqué of the keeper of the throne of Mali:
ras Moussa announced to the world community that chose lead to Mali in the turbulent waters of world politics. Guardian of the Throne stated that he wants peace with all its neighbors, and that the contracts concluded by his predecessor ras Imru, will be followed by Mali to the letter. Rejoice people of Mali you already have a new father.

Ottoman Empire (DoE) · July 29, 2011, 14:40

The Daily Turkey

Turkey Mourns ras Imru

Our reporters have taken a statement from Taner, High Messenger of Turkey...

"The people of Turkey were besides themselves with grief over the loss of our brother, the wise and benevolent ras Imru. Turkey extends our deepest sorrow and condolences to the people of Mali. We welcome ras Moussa and pledge Turkey's continued friendship."

Mahmud and Jamal reportedly co-authoring a book

We have confirmed that during his sabbatical Supreme Commander Jamal has teamed up with Substitute Messenger Mahmud to compose a grand-treatise on global diplomacy. This Mammoth work is intended to distill centuries of international relations into a reliable formula for calculating world relations, attitudes and reactions. The treatise is set to publish soon...

Mali (DoE) · July 30, 2011, 02:56

Foreign Minister of Mali entered the first report on the new Guardian of the throne. ras Moussa asked him "So what's new in the world" "My lord arrived condolences for the death of ras Imru from all over the world, all say that Mali has lost a great leader. Our allies and friends, Russia, Turkey and Zulu sent special envoys to to share our grief. "
"Something else"
"My lord some of our neighbors sent us nothing with which to show that the death of the leader of Mali affects them. This is a sign of disrespect." "There is nothing honorable ministers ras Imru was a great leader and does not need exaggerated respect."