So, what is the current status of America and the Turks, and the Aztecs and the Turks? We had some sort of ultimatum and it's coming due soon...
Response to China and the World
China keeps threatening us to not defend ourselves against aggression. The entire world ignores our plight while the Ottoman attack on the Americans is considered the greatest evil since Viking attacked England.
If India agrees to this enforced peace of being reduced to 6 cities or suffer total destruction the difference is practically the same. A nation of 6 cities is effectively nothing. A nation destroyed by war is the same. What choice should any leader make? America refused the unreasonable demands of the Ottomans and the whole world supported them. Yet no one cares for India.
Not only is India under attack from Japan, but both Inca and England are actively supplying the backwards Japanese with advanced weapons. And China is threatening total destruction of India for no reason. India has not once in the history of the world acted aggressively towards China. Our ships exist only for the purpose of defending our waters and our colonies. They have made no move even near Chinese waters, nor will they. China has no reason to threaten or attack us.
India has repeatedly requested a neutral third party to help mediate in this farce of a war, yet not it seems most nations can not be bothered to respond. India sees that the grand talk of "honor" and "justice" is exactly that, talk.
India will be completely and irreversably destroyed, yet no one speaks out against it.
So, what is the current status of America and the Turks, and the Aztecs and the Turks? We had some sort of ultimatum and it's coming due soon...
Official communiqué of the keeper of the throne of Mali:
Ras Imru congratulates Russia and its people with the new state system, they showed once again how the rest of the world of state government and the people work together for the prosperity of his country.
Mali welcomed the peace in America but is seriously worried by the fact that Havana not will be Turkish territory and the Aztecs will be able to perform undisturbed sudden aggression against Africa, Mali, so begins to build protective structures on the Atlantic coast of Africa, which hopes to cool intentions anyone who wants war with Mali.Mali build fortifications.
Modern Rifle Tower of Mali.
"Boris, what are those Azteca trying to achieve?"
"I would say they are using your influence to their own gain, Catherine. The Turks stop decimating the Aztecs and start withdrawing and instead of gratefully accepting the outcome of all this, they decided to act as a Supermen and get all the glory for with foolishly liberating American cities, wasting lives and further damaging cities. The hope to get all the laurels for repelling the Turkish invaders when if it was not you, Catherine, the Azteca had to suffer yet."
"I think these Azteca are playing dirty games on my expense, Boris. You know how I hate this, Boris. You know how much I hate this..."
Great Catherine of Russia,
We recently heard you feel that the Aztec are conducting themselves wrongfully in the theatre of war. As things are not always what they seem, I would like to enlighten you as to what is really going on.
Yes, it is true, the Ottoman have given us back Miami, Havana and Texcoco. The Aztec felt very wronged by the unprovoked attack by the Ottomans, as did we. Our cities have suffered badly. In the American cities, we have to rebuild many things, from simple structures such as lighthouses, to more complex things such as banks. On top of that, we have lost many military units and ships. The Turks however, seem to be coming away virtually unscathed.
That is not how this should work. We have not asked for this aggression. We have never provoked the Ottoman Empire. Now that the Ottoman prepare to leave our waters, we are not only left behind with scorched lands, and crumbled cities, but we also have to bear the burden of hearing that you, a nation that declared itself to be an advocate for justice and peace, sympathize with them. We grieve at hearing such news.
We hope that in the future, you will look more kindly at your brothers from across the sea. It is really all we ask.
Dwight Eisenhower.
Notice to America:
The Turkish invasion was not unprovoked. Azteca provoked the invasion with their plot to invade Africa. Azteca has been proven guilty beyond question. Mali has already acknowledged the guilt of Azteca. Therefore any losses suffered by Azteca were their own doing and just desserts for their scheming. As for the Americans, they have not been absolved of wrongdoing in this matter.
First of all, our investigation concluded only that Americas guilt could not be certain, not that America was innocent of cooperating with the Aztec conspirators. However, those results are obsolete, as America is obviously cooperating with Azteca now. Since Azteca is still a threat to Africa, and America is giving weapons to Azteca, America is also a threat to Africa, and will be treated as such. This point is even more strengthened by the fact that both America and Azteca refused to sign NAPs that guarantee they would not attack Africa. Why refuse unless they still want to attack Africa?
Any nations who disagree with this conclusion should speak now so that your feelings are on the record. Also, publicly declare whether your nation believes or does not believe as Turkey and Mali do, that Azteca wished to, and still wishes to invade Africa.
Additionally, the Americans defied a decree of Matushka Rus, delivered by then Princess Catherine. Turkey has not yet consulted to determine the appropriate sanction for this, but we will act accordingly, when we have reached our determination.
Finally, Turkey having concluded our business in North America, are available to mediate the current conflict between India, China and Japan. If accepted, i myself, the public relations minister would preside. Let India no longer say they are being ignored.
Aysecan, Public Relations
America, you feel such a sympathy for the Azteca as a natural ally of yours, but Russia have documents, which can paint your supposed saint-like new friend of Azteca in a light that the Azteca themselves I bet dont want to be seen. Allow me to have better sight on the international diplomatics and have a better judgment about the leaders. As you will find out, I am rarely mistaken, but it may come too late and on a much high price.
Further more, you are left alone only because of the combined Inca and Russian diplomatic efforts. Make no mistake in judging who brought the peace to you. The Azteca by attacking and capturing cities who was left empty because the Turks have so decided to act is nothing more or less than insult to those who guaranteed for the peaceful resolution of this case for you and who tainted their friendship to have you saved from sure Turkish annihilation.
Yes of course, and that's why you invade America, instead of Azteca. This is Ottoman logic at it's best.The Turkish invasion was not unprovoked. Azteca provoked the invasion with their plot to invade Africa.
Aysecan,Originally Posted by Ottoman Empire (DoE)
We are saddened by your message. Let us make a few matters clear:
- America has not, at any time, had any knowledge about a pending invasion of Africa by the Aztecs.
- The fact that the country who claims there is an Aztec threat says it is so, is not proof to me. Regardless, America would most certainly condemn any invasion of Africa.
- if your actions were meant to protect Africa, why would you attack America without contacting us? You never had contact with us before your attack. Your reasoning does not make any sense at all.
- America has not signed an NAP, as the terms that came along with the NAP were highly unrealistic. America is not opposed to an NAP, but only under reasonable terms, which would include reparations for the damage you have done to America. Instead, you demanded reparations and military units from us.
- America has not gifted any units to the Aztec. Three frigates that were not American were transferred to the Aztec, and only used to defend Texcoco.
- America has never provoked anybody. We were invaded. It is as simple as that. Then, the Azteca helped defend us, so naturally we will now help them as we conclude this war. Under no circumstances will we aid any attack on any other nation. America is a peaceful nation, not a warmonger.
- We are not aware of any decree by Matrushka Rus.
Dwight Eisenhower,
General of the American Army
So I go, and do what I can ~ Dwight 'Diplo' Eisenhower
Catherine of Rus,
Naturally, I would be grateful for your actions if they are true, but how can I be, if all that you say you have done, has happened behind our back? How can you say that I should make no mistake in judging, when I know nothing about the things you have done? When you say "those who guaranteed for the peaceful resolution of this case for you and who tainted their friendship", we are shocked; we know nothing about this. If that is true, why did you not tell us and communicate openly about these things? France, the Aztec, the Inca, they all communicated openly and in person that they were against this invasion and demonstrated through actions that they were opposed to it. Russia however, from our point of view, was rather silent.
I will be the first to thank you if you indeed were instrumental in brokering this peace. But you cannot suddenly accuse of America of misjudging what has happened, when there is no way we could have known.
Dwight Eisenhower.
So I go, and do what I can ~ Dwight 'Diplo' Eisenhower
Clarification to America:
On the question of:
"Why did Turkey invade America if Aztecs were the ones plotting against Africa?"
Since this question is continually repeated, first by France, then Aztec, then America, I have been instructed to remind all nations that the Sultan has already answered this question exhaustively. Please refer to the 74th communication this month, sent on 12 July, at 16:25 hours, paragraphs 3-4 & 8-9. I include an excerpt of paragraph 9:
I reiterate that this tactic was a smashing success, which worked exactly as intended, so disapproval of the tactic cannot be based on effectiveness, it can only be based on denying the guilt of Azteca or America.Once pre-emption was preferred, the question became how to proceed. At this point all North American nations were suspects, and we were not certain of the strength and exact location of the invasion forces. My Naval Advisor, Suleiman, therefore determined that the safest way to proceed was to land in America, and feign an invasion there. We would capture Havana, which would enable us to determine where the invasion forces were stationed in Azteca, without exposing our fleet to attack. Suleiman was confident that this would draw out the invasion forces and separate them from the invasion ships asthey scrambled to support America.
Denying the guilt of Azteca is of course ludicrous, given the mountain of irrefutable evidence against them. Turkey challenges any nation that is privy to the evidence to deny Azteca's guilt. Moral Condemnation of pre-emption as a tactic is totally different from denying Azteca was plotting against Africa. Nations have condemned Turkeys action of pre-emption, no informed nation can deny our conclusions about Aztecas plot.
Of course Azteca denies, the evildoer always denies guilt. America and France are not privy to the evidence, so their denials are meaningless. Also, America stands accused along with Azteca, so they are not a credible nation to deny anything.
Therefore, since the tactical effectiveness of the invasion can not be denied and the guilt of Azteca can not be denied, the only basis to object to the capture of Havana is based on belief that America does not support the Azteca plot. But America is currently supporting the Aztecs, and America refuses to sign the NAP towards Africa, both of which strongly suggest American involvement in the known Aztec plot.
With respect to the Russian decree that you are liable for ignoring, that was issued on 12 July at 23:25 hours and is this months 87th communication. I recommend you review it to know what you are liable for ignoring.
Taner, on behalf of the Sultan
Last edited by Ottoman Empire (DoE); July 15, 2011 at 16:43.
A reply to Taner and his Sultan:I reiterate that this tactic was a smashing success, which worked exactly as intended, so disapproval of the tactic cannot be based on effectiveness, it can only be based on denying the guilt of Azteca or America.
What was a smashing success was that you destroyed the peace in a continent that has been in peace for more than a thousand years.
A smashing success that you have driven two nations to war they didn't choose or were prepared for.
A smashing success that you still didn't achieve your first goal: owning Washington, Miami and a third city (and yes this is also somewhere in the log, but I am just to lazy to look it up).
A smashing success that you tried to conquer Azteca and didn't succeed in it.
And a smashing success that you had to give up all your winnings under international pressure .
So if this is your definition of a smashing success then have some more smashing successes..
Now we are definitely a lot closer to peace then we were before.
We know we have a lot of countries to thank for this:
There have been some who during this conflict chose to befriend our enemies friend,
BUT still decided they would not allow the Ottomans to travel through their lands to attack us because they want peace.
THANK YOU FOR THIS NATIVE AMERICA
There have been some who were constantly torn between both sides but still managed to stay constantly on the high ground.
THANK YOU FOR THIS INCA NATION
There have been some with whom contact was scarce but good, but turned out to be real friends.
And who could inspire our people with brilliant speeches.
THANK YOU FOR THIS AMERICA
There have been some who stepped in, reacted immediately at the moment our policy of strict neutrality considering all European nations was no longer possible.
THANK YOU FOR THIS FRANCE
There have been some who constantly did evil deeds, but by whose actions we have found more friends than we had ever before in Incan history
THANK YOU FOR THIS OTTOMANS
Last edited by Aztecs (DoE); July 15, 2011 at 17:45.
May we request the Incas to step in and with your wisdom help to achieve a reasonable peace treaty
which does take into account the damages done and the current strategic position the Ottoman forces are in right now.
We could elaborate more on this, but we believe that it is time that the voice of peace starts talking after the voice of war has been talking so much.
We truly like this to end fast, so please let's hear the Incan voice of reason.
We firmly believe that the best way to find real peace is a peace which all three parties can live with in the long run.
And we believe that you Inca's are in the unique position to find this solution.
All parties involved:
We apologize for our delay in mediation, but the emperor was having a night of debauchery and is now well rested, if not a bit grumpy and beheadached. His words are as follows:
Look, this comes down to two things that must change within the next [turn] before we have to start declaring war. First, the Aztecs and Americans should agree to NAPs with Africa. We are in a bind here, because Rus has not been overly forthcoming with their evidence, yet we generally trust their word highly, but of course the Northerners are both claiming otherwise, so we can't quite decide what the actual facts are without evidence of admission. Regardless, given it is the Ottoman causus belli, we feel that if a just peace is to be found, it should be found with NAPs for Mali and the Zulu as well. It is a reasonable request so long as the terms of the NAPs aren't too long or constricting for the Aztecs. We don't feel it necessary to have the Americans sign such agreements, as we feel they are an innocent party in all of this, and as we have said many times before, the selling of arms (especially to a nation at peace!) is not an act of war.
Second, the Ottomans must pay reparations to the Americans. That the Americans would pay them in gold and arms is ridiculous. Our ultimatum still stands, and if the Ottomans insist on this course of negotiations, the next time we [log in], war will be declared. At best, that gives them [18 hours] to get this straight. We feel that 750 gold and 6 grenadiers should be appropriate compensation for the damages and lost productivity of American land, but the two are free to bilaterally come to some horsetrade with respect to NAPs and reparations.
um, yes, this world's history is basically the history of Inca. 'bout time someone acknowledged that fact!
To the interested parties:
"Mali has already acknowledged the guilt of Azteca"
How can the nation of Mali acknowledge the guilt of a third party, especially when the "guilt" involved is an alleged plan to attack Mali?
Ottoman teachers must teach something different in the way of logic from that taught to the children of The People.
Let us start by saying that we thank the Incas they agreed to play the role of negotiator.
As we said we trust in your wisdom to come to reasonable terms for all three parties, America, Ottoman and Aztec.
And yes we Aztecs even want to be reasonable towards our enemies, because that is the only way this damaged relationship can be healed.
First, the Aztecs and Americans should agree to NAPs with Africa. We are in a bind here, because Rus has not been overly forthcoming with their evidence, yet we generally trust their word highly, but of course the Northerners are both claiming otherwise, so we can't quite decide what the actual facts are without evidence of admission. Regardless, given it is the Ottoman causus belli, we feel that if a just peace is to be found, it should be found with NAPs for Mali and the Zulu as well. It is a reasonable request so long as the terms of the NAPs aren't too long or constricting for the Aztecs.
1) We have absolutely no obligation to signing these NAPs with Mail and even Zulu as these 'invasion plans' do not exist.
2) One element which should be included into these peace talks is the extensive and deliberate damage done to the biggest Aztec city of Texcoco (as described in #118 of this log).
This damage was done in the phase of the war we call the "Ottoman withdrawal" and were completely unnecesarry, and extremely damaging to the Aztec economy. We acknowledge that some part of this damage can be considered normal war damage, but a large part can't.
The amount of damage done is a large loss of life and about '1000 hammers' as we Aztecs count production value. Additionally the per turn (Aztec unit of measuring time) production value of Texcoco fell back from 17 to 6 hammers.
Therefore it is just that we receive compensation for the deliberate damage done to Texcoco.
3) Good to hear that our lead negotiator thinks damages should be payed to America. We agree to this. If the amount is reasonble, that is not to us to decide upon.
4) We will waive the right to ask for damages done to the Aztec army and navy.
As we know that if a party asks for everything they want in the process of making peace no peace will be actually be achieved. We Aztecs will be reasonable.
Last edited by Aztecs (DoE); July 16, 2011 at 00:19.
Approved Responses:
First and most importantly, to Native America... Yes "acknowledge" was incorrectly used, and we apologize. "Agrees" was the more appropriate word to use. Mali agrees that Azteca is guilty. As a reminder, Mali has firsthand knowledge of at least some of the evidence against Azteca. Native America is not privy to any of the evidence as far as Turkey is aware. Our remarks concerning Azteca's guilt was directed principally at those nations privy to the evidence as those not privy to the evidence are not in any position to draw conclusions, with all due respect to Native America.
However in the interest of full disclosure here is a tally of how nations have indicated their attitude towards the charge that Azteca plots to invade Africa:
Russia - guilty
China - No comment
Neandor - no comment
Inca - Undecided
Engalnd - no comment
Native America - undecided
Arabia - no voice
Valhalla - no comment
India - no comment
France - innocent
America - undecided
Japan - no comment
Israel - no comment
Turkey - guilty
Azteca - innocent
Zulu - no voice (guilty via Turkey and Mali)
Mongolia - no comment
Mali - guilty
As you can see above, that is 4 nations who find Azteca guilty and 2 who find Azteca innocent. Please be aware that one of the who find Azteca innocent are Azteca themselves and 1 nation who is not privy to the overwhelming evidence against Azteca.
To Inca, we respect you greatly, but we will not agree to pay any monies to any nation as reparations for the defense of Africa. That decision is final and comes directly from the Sultan. There will be no negotiations whatsoever on any reparations to be paid by Turkey as we are in the right, acting in the defense of Africa, pre-empting an invader. We have returned all the North American cities which is far more than we had to do. A simple return of the North American cities was what Azteca publicly stated they wanted, and this was more than America wanted, as they were willing to give up Havana. We returned Miami by not asserting war rules as was our right, and we returned Havana and Texcoco.
As a counterproposal, we demand a transfer to Turkey of all units that threaten Africa, as outlined in our proposal to America, and a signing of the NAPs that we previously presented to Azteca and America. America no logner posseses these units, Azteca posseses all of them. Therefore our business with America is concluded, we require nothing of America other than agreement to sign the NAPs we have delivered to them. Azteca must turn over their threatening offensive units.
Please be on notice, that failure to sign these NAPs will result in appropriate action, as we have a clear majority of world opinion on our side. Additionally, as a condition of peace, Azteca must publicly admit and apologize for their plot to invade Africa.
Finally, we ask Inca to publicly state whther they find Azteca guilty of a plot to invade Africa or not. If Inca finds Azteca innocent, then Turkey rejects Inca as a mediator for peace negotiations and requests that a new negotiator steps forward immediately.
Taner, on behalf of the Sultan
Official communiqué of the keeper of the throne of Mali:
Reached our ears to evidence that a nation known to stay away from that world politics (Native America) commented on official statements of Mali. We were accused of lying this nation and therefore feel obliged to respond. Mali has strong evidence of intent to invade the Aztec Africa. The nature of this evidence is such that it can't be shown publicly. Of course we can not expect the Aztec leaders will make written confessions. But Mali thinks too much delves into this topic for us all is clear Aztecs and their allies are thinking that Africa is poor and without allies, and have decided that is a good time to invade, but we warn that any intruder will break their teeth in the defense of Mali. We propose to sign non-aggression pact between the Aztecs and Mali. Let dressed in feathers offer period of this contract.
To Mali:
If you agree we hereby have a NAP with you for the upcoming 50 turns.
I will send an ambassador to get the written NAP.
But we are bound by our word as soon as you agree with this.
As we said before we have absolutely no obligation to signing this agreement as the 'invasion plans' do not exist.
If requested by the Zulu's we are very much prepared to sign such an agreement with them too.
To Ottomans:
We are still waiting for your 'voice of peace' to start talking.
You didn't react to any of the proposals the Inca have made.
We reacted to our part of the Incan proposals and already agreed to this, without asking for any compensation.First, the Aztecs and Americans should agree to NAPs with Africa. We are in a bind here, because Rus has not been overly forthcoming with their evidence, yet we generally trust their word highly, but of course the Northerners are both claiming otherwise, so we can't quite decide what the actual facts are without evidence of admission. Regardless, given it is the Ottoman causus belli, we feel that if a just peace is to be found, it should be found with NAPs for Mali and the Zulu as well. It is a reasonable request so long as the terms of the NAPs aren't too long or constricting for the Aztecs.
This item of the Incan proposal you chose not to react on.Second, the Ottomans must pay reparations to the Americans. That the Americans would pay them in gold and arms is ridiculous. Our ultimatum still stands, and if the Ottomans insist on this course of negotiations, the next time we [log in], war will be declared. At best, that gives them [18 hours] to get this straight. We feel that 750 gold and 6 grenadiers should be appropriate compensation for the damages and lost productivity of American land, but the two are free to bilaterally come to some horsetrade with respect to NAPs and reparations.
This item of the Aztec proposal you chose not to react on.One element which should be included into these peace talks is the extensive and deliberate damage done to the biggest Aztec city of Texcoco (as described in #118 of this log).
This damage was done in the phase of the war we call the "Ottoman withdrawal" and were completely unnecesarry, and extremely damaging to the Aztec economy. We acknowledge that some part of this damage can be considered normal war damage, but a large part can't.
The amount of damage done is a large loss of life and about '1000 hammers' as we Aztecs count production value. Additionally the per turn (Aztec unit of measuring time) production value of Texcoco fell back from 17 to 6 hammers.
Therefore it is just that we receive compensation for the deliberate damage done to Texcoco.
This proposal we can answer clearly: as we did offer NAPs to all involved African states we do not have ANY units that threaten Africa.As a counterproposal, we demand a transfer to Turkey of all units that threaten Africa, as outlined in our proposal to America, and a signing of the NAPs that we previously presented to Azteca and America.
To add a more personal note:
I Camaxtli, leader of the Azteca, do hereby solemnly swear that we will not attack Mali and Zulu and break this NAP.
Furthermore I swear to not break any NAPs now and in the future.
An additonal remark to the Ottomans:
I didn't know that one could vote about what was true or not.
Here I am not even starting the discussion that you got the position of all stated you mentioned right.
This is not what it is about.
We made clear steps toward peace, now we wait to see some steps from you.
-----------TELEGRAM FROM EISENHOWER, FROM THE FIELD-------------
Eisenhower wishes the world to know that it only offered Havana to the Ottoman Empire once; this was when the three largest American cities were about to fall, and Americans were willing to do anything to stop the killing. Things changed radically since then, as that was at the very start of the war.
We are now left with a war torn nation. Once again, and we cannot stress this enough: America never provoked the Turks, and had NEVER had contact with the Turks. On top of that, America knew absolutely nothing about a pending invasion of Africa. If we would, we would have done all in our diplomatic power to stop that from happening.
We think compensation would, under these circumstances, definitely be more than fair. Our nation was ravaged without warning. If the Ottoman Empire would find it in their heart to give America some troops to help rebuild our nation, it would be an honorable first step towards renewing trust.
-----------------------END TELEGRAM------------------------------------
So I go, and do what I can ~ Dwight 'Diplo' Eisenhower
First, we think the Ottomans are confused by "clear majority". I generally means something clearly over 51% of the nations of the globe, and I am not seeing any such majority in existence publicly. The clear majority seems somewhere between "indifferent" and "unsure".
Second, the attack on Havana was unnecessary and cruel to the weak American economy. Even if the Aztecs are so guilty, the Americans are guilty of nothing, and an attack on their cities was wholly uncalled for. Perhaps a declaration of war would have been necessary to ensure Ottoman passage through their waters at a critical point, but to take two cities is unjustifiable, especially as Miami has little connection to all of this. Reparations are certainly in order and far more justified than the attacks themselves, even if the word of the Russians is to be trusted (as we are so inclined to do).
At the very least, insisting the Americans or Aztecs pay reparations to the Ottomans is absurd. NAPs should suffice, if further attacks on Ottoman allies are being fretted over. Behind-the-scenes treachery and plotting are one thing that almost all nations of the world (perhaps with the sole exception of the noble Natives of the North) are guilty of. Breaking treaties is of another cloth, and the word of the Aztecs and Americans should suffice.
We are glad to see that the Aztecs are willing to sign NAPs with their pruported targets. The final obstacle, therefore, is the issue of reparations. Again, the Americans and Aztecs owe the Ottomans nothing.
Our public position on the Aztecs' plan is not changed since our last position: we will not take a side until presented with incontrovertible evidence. Three people insisting that something is so does not make it so. Now, we had foreknowledge of Aztec considerations on invading Africa a long time back, but for all we know that never came to anything after we attempted to dissuade them from such an assault. The plans were vague, not directed at anyone in specific, and we thought that we had rid them of the desire after pressuring them to not do so. We apologize to the Mali and Zulu for not mentioning this to them, but it was brought up in sessions of discression, and we are discreet people. So, we are yet further inclined to believe Rus and all in their accusations, especially as "invasion fleets" were discovered and mostly destroyed in the recent fighting. Still, Inca could be considered to have "invasion fleets" (see our military response to all this), and yet we never had the intention to invade anyone. So, although we cannot take a side on the issue without evidence (even if private in nature), we do lean heavily towards the Russo-Otto-Malian story. That still is "undecided", though, even if it is a biased indecision indeed. This bias is what has underpinned our insistence over reparations to the Americans, while keeping more mute over reparations to the Aztecs. Should, in time, their "invasion" prove to be an unfounded belief, our bias would disappear, and we would insist that they be compensated as well. As such, the return of their lands is enough to satisfy us, given our current inclinations.
Should the Ottoman position on the Aztecs be proven to us, given the Ottoman actions to this point and that they are now only seeking reparations from the Aztecs over an invasion that we would see was indeed imminent (and not the Americans), and this whole action against them was indeed justifiable as a reaction to imminent mortal danger to an ally who was unable to so defend himself, we would consider the issues at hand settled and the ultimatum dismissed: peace has been attained, the Americans owe the Ottomans nothing, NAPs offered by the "Ottoman side", all cities returned, this is sufficient for us.
If the Ottomans wish to make us non-mediators, that is fine. It will not change the ultimatum deadline. We are certainly not a neutral party in this, so our mediation is naturally fraught with issues. We find ourselves in the position out of necessity: we wish to avoid war, as do the Ottomans, and this is in effect a war of words and ideas, the goal of which is to avoid one of bullets and hooves.
Let's say for the sake of argument that the intention of the Ottomans was to prevent an invasion of Aztec on Africa.
Then answer to the following questions should be easy:
1) Can they explain why they attacked the Americans in the first place, while the Aztec fleet was in Texcoco and Tenochtitlan and the Aztec army was spread out over all Aztec cities?
2) Can they explain why they wanted to have 3 major American cities?
3) Can they explain why the Aztecs only came into the picture the moment the Aztecs stepped up to defend America?
4) Can they explain why they didn't simply inform the world what was about to happen?
5) Given the status the Aztec forces were at the beginning in the war, can they explain why a simple warning that the Ottomans would interfere should not have been enough?
This is indeed true. This was somewhere in around the 1300s or 1400s and at that moment the Zulu's were in disarray and not governed.Now, we had foreknowledge of Aztec considerations on invading Africa a long time back, but for all we know that never came to anything after we attempted to dissuade them from such an assault.
The plans were vague, not directed at anyone in specific, and we thought that we had rid them of the desire after pressuring them to not do so.
And the moment the Incans said they don't approve of this we dropped the subject immediately.
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We once more stress that peace should be resolved soon.
Time is ticking and turn (Aztec time measurement unit) is almost over.
In the spirit of openness we disclose the letter which got the Aztecs involved in the, at that moment Ottoman - American war:
The greatness of thought and injustive of it all inspired prince Xochipilli to found the Aztec Intervention Force.
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An Open Letter to All Nations
England has been observing this war and situation intensely. We also had knowledge, from the Inca and others, that the Aztec were planning an invasion of Africa. Now the Inca and Aztec have both confirmed this publicly. We do not know how imminent it was, however the evidence of an Aztec ship scouting Mali and Zulu shores and refusing to leave is certainly damning proof. Plus, the presence of ships being loaded up with troops on Aztec's eastern coast again supports this claim. It further seems that the Aztec have been deliberately deceiving the world as they repeatedly denied any plans to attack Africa, and now they admit to those plans. They now maintain that they had abandoned those plans years ago, but since they were previously arguing strenuously that there were no such plans in the first place and have now admitted to their lie we see no reason to trust them now. We also find the Aztec guilty of plotting an invasion of Africa.
At the same time, while it was not unreasonable for the Ottoman to assume that the Americans were assisting the Aztec in their plans, there was insufficient evidence to support a full invasion of two American cities with the cost to life and infrastructure that accompanied them. Unless evidence emerges to support the Turk claims, we find that America, our former protectorate with whom we share a common language and culture, is not guilty of the charges.
With these assertions as a starting point, we hope to propose a peace treaty that may be acceptable to all sides. Our proposal:
1. The Turks must give America 1,000 gold to compensate them for the damage done to their people and cities.
2. The Aztec must give 5 frigates to the Ottomans to ensure they will not be used for attacking the Mali or Zulu in the future.
3. The Aztec and Americans must agree to a 50 turn non-aggression pact with Turkey, Mali, Zulu, Japan, Israel, England, Inca and Russia.
If the Aztec have no plans for war then there should be no reason not to sign the non-aggression pacts. Refusal to do so betrays their warlike intentions.
Our history with the nature of compromise in our Parliament has taught us that true compromises include pain and profit for all sides. We feel this agreement accomplishes this and is a middle way that is based on the facts of this war. We urge all sides to accept it.
-Queen Elizabeth I
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