A Game of Thrones - TV Show Discussion Thread

[Guynemer]

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She hasn't done anything differently. If anything, her release of Jaime was more justifiable in the show as opposed to the book.

[OzzyKP]

Yea, I don't see her as being all that moronic or selfish. Holding onto Jaime was probably wiser, but considering she was afraid he wouldn't survive the night she'd rather get a bad deal for Jaimie then no deal at all.

[kittenOFchaos]

One problem of having read the books is that you see the little burnt kids and just go meh.

[Imran Siddiqui]

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She hasn't done anything differently. If anything, her release of Jaime was more justifiable in the show as opposed to the book.

Everything else I've read from non-book readers after the last episode was that Cat is an absolute moron and Robb should just send her home. Whereas in the books (not really a spoiler anymore), the word of Bran and Rickon being "dead" reached the camp, which caused Cat to be in despair that she only had one child aside from Robb alive. Hence her release of Jamie into Brienne's care was more an act of a grieving mother rather than a really stupid gamble.

[OzzyKP]

One problem of having read the books is that you see the little burnt kids and just go meh.

Its the same problem of people with half a brain.

[kittenOFchaos]

Its the same problem of people with half a brain.

I'll pass you the tissues.

[OzzyKP]

<-- has half a brain (I'll make no claims to more then that however):

Eek, lots of stuff going on this week! Will Jaimie survive? (no idea) Are Tyrian & Cersei going to kill Joffrey? (please!) Did Ricon and Bran die? (I doubt it)

Plus, **** going down in Qarth! And Stannis only a few days away!

And like every other episode, I don't give a **** about Jon Snow's plot line.

[Guynemer]

Everything else I've read from non-book readers after the last episode was that Cat is an absolute moron and Robb should just send her home. Whereas in the books (not really a spoiler anymore), the word of Bran and Rickon being "dead" reached the camp, which caused Cat to be in despair that she only had one child aside from Robb alive. Hence her release of Jamie into Brienne's care was more an act of a grieving mother rather than a really stupid gamble.

In the show, it becomes clear that Jaime is unlikely to survive the night (having killed Arnolf Karstark's son in his first attempt to escape, and King Robb is away from the camp at the time), so Cat takes the calculated risk of potentially freeing him for nothing versus the near certainty of his immediate death getting them nothing.

Much, much more understandable in the show. In the book, it is the act of a desperate madwoman. In the show, a shrewd, calculating woman.

[OzzyKP]

Which is what I said. In less words.

[Imran Siddiqui]

::shrug:: I'm just saying what I've read in other threads on other forums. They all think Cat is a dumbass and the entire Stark family is full of morons.

[OzzyKP]

::shrug:: I'm just saying what I've read in other threads on other forums. They all think Cat is a dumbass and the entire Stark family is full of morons.

Did they call them morons or morans?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I guess one of the reasons I'm inclined to believe the Cat haters (? ) is because I'm not happy how she was portrayed in Season 1. In show, Cat is pleading with Ned not to go, while in the books Cat is the one telling Ned that he's gotta find out what happened to Jon Arryn. Because of this (in the books), Cat has massive guilt over Ned's death and she's dedicated to make sure she's not responsible for any of her other kids dying. It defines her character - because of she feels she caused Ned's death, she becomes very overprotective of the rest.

[Dinner]

I think perhaps the show people are streamlining the book - though its a shame. In the books the woman Robb goes for (Jeyne Westerling) brings up all sorts of fun questions...

Spoiler:

ie, did the Westerlings allow for the marriage of Jeyne to Robb in order to win favor with their Lords, the Lannisters?

Spoiler:

Jeyne Westerling's mother kept giving Jeyne an abortifacient, without Jeyne's knowledge, to make sure she didn't conceive. The parents were very upset about their daughter's choice in spouses but couldn't speak up due to Rob having an army but they did cut a deal with Tywin to insure her safety in exchange for giving her the "moon tea". It's all in the song of ice and fire wiki.

[OzzyKP]

I guess one of the reasons I'm inclined to believe the Cat haters (? ) is because I'm not happy how she was portrayed in Season 1. In show, Cat is pleading with Ned not to go, while in the books Cat is the one telling Ned that he's gotta find out what happened to Jon Arryn. Because of this (in the books), Cat has massive guilt over Ned's death and she's dedicated to make sure she's not responsible for any of her other kids dying. It defines her character - because of she feels she caused Ned's death, she becomes very overprotective of the rest.

But if she is seen as a dumbass for making rash decisions because of being overprotective, wouldn't the fact that she is less overprotective in the show make her less of a dumbass?

[Imran Siddiqui]

Actual reason for overprotectiveness >>> no really good reason for overprotectiveness (relative to situation of course) in "dumbass" ness.

[Guynemer]

::shrug:: I'm just saying what I've read in other threads on other forums. They all think Cat is a dumbass and the entire Stark family is full of morons.

Well, they're not wrong, but this is not the best example to use.

[Hauldren Collider]

Whoah. How are Arya and Bran morons?

[DaShi]

Do your parents have HBO or not?

[Guynemer]

Whoah. How are Arya and Bran morons?

Well, they're kids, they're morons in kid ways, such as Arya wasting her death picks.

[Dinner]

Actual reason for overprotectiveness >>> no really good reason for overprotectiveness (relative to situation of course) in "dumbass" ness.

Cat isn't a dumb ass but she is a royal **** though.

Spoiler:

I'm not just talking about how she treated Jon Snow either. She knows more about seigecraft than her son or her brother, in Riverrun her brother brings in all the peasants including the old and the young to protect them but she knew there wasn't enough food for everyone and it was strategically better to send the peasants who couldn't fight back to their homes, logically they probably would have been better off there as well, but her brother wouldn't hear it. She also was the one who advised Rob on a lot of political stuff which she was right about and he didn't always listen to. Finally, after she's killed and is brought back to half life she really shows a vindictive streak. Zombiness seems to have only made her more mean.

[Dinner]

Whoah. How are Arya and Bran morons?

Spoiler:

Bran is a bit of a moron for running off to the north, into danger when one of his father's bannermen would have taken him in and protected him but he heard about a "green dream" and just had to "run" (be carried) off into wildling territory. Arya isn't a moron but she should have not named petty men for assassination and instead should have named key leaders if she wanted to help her family (Tywin and the Mountain would have been good) while she really half assed the whole escaping back to the north thing before finally sailing away to another continent without even really knowing why.

[regexcellent]

Spoiler:

Of course, later on Arya will, I think likely, be a badass assassin who is capable of killing her family's enemies herself in a most awesome and spectacular manner. I'm getting Ezio vibes.

[Bugs ****ing Bunny]

A new facial expression from Robb Stark! Well done, lad! We knew you could do it!

Good episode. This show does Machiavellian intrigue better than big emotions, and this was an intriguer.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Spoiler:

Of course, later on Arya will, I think likely, be a badass assassin who is capable of killing her family's enemies herself in a most awesome and spectacular manner. I'm getting Ezio vibes.

Most definitely.

Spoiler:

though they seem to be killing each other off

[OzzyKP]

So many spoilers! There is no one for us non-book people to talk to.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Well start reading .

[Wezil]

Reading the books now would just spoil the TV shows.

[Imran Siddiqui]

That's ok. The books are better .

[rah]

I'm glad I read the books a good while ago. I remember a lot of the major points but don't remember a lot of the details so I'm not upset when they change some minor details to make it fit into a TV series. The story still unfolds and I enjoy seeing some scenes that I don't remember (or were changed). I never went back to the books after the long layoff because I'm always worried that I have forgotten so much that it will distract from the enjoyment. I figure after I watch the first few seasons, it will be enough to go back and finish the books.

[Wezil]

That's ok. The books are better .

At this point I wouldn't find that at all surprising. The "book" is generally better than the "movie" and I'm less impressed with the TV version of GoT with each episode.

If the books ever get finished I will read them after the TV version and get a whole new bunch of surprises (presuming of course I survive that long).