Educate Ben about black women

[Asher]

Living in Canada is like being a slave on a plantation. I had no idea.

It's cause of teh gay marriage.

[Ben Kenobi]

What the hell... you think paying taxes and receiving services is comparable to being someone's slave?

I don't want the services. I just want them to leave me alone. If I am truly a free man shouldn't I have the choice as to whether I wish to accept these services?

[loinburger]

How much do you actually pay in taxes? I thought you were unemployed or working a minimum wage job.

[gribbler]

I don't want the services. I just want them to leave me alone. If I am truly a free man shouldn't I have the choice as to whether I wish to accept these services?

Well, when they find a way to exclude you from using roads, national defense, the services of an educated and healthy workforce, police protection, etc. then I guess they should do that.

[Tupac Shakur]

Educate Ben about black women

Black women are strong, beautiful, and far too proud to ever mess with a punk white boy like yourself. You best look elsewhere.

[Ben Kenobi]

The minister's work is also important and he should be trained, perhaps by the Federation as to our ideals and the goal that we hope to reach. We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members

Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon, quoting Sanger.

[Ben Kenobi]

Well, when they find a way to exclude you from using roads, national defense, the services of an educated and healthy workforce, police protection, etc. then I guess they should do that.

Which justifies their spending on abortion clinics? Sorry, no sale. If I am truly free, then I have the right to say no to all these 'services' and I have, with my feet.

[loinburger]

Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon, quoting Sanger.

Oh you poor simpleton

[Ben Kenobi]

How much do you actually pay in taxes? I thought you were unemployed or working a minimum wage job.

Up in Canada? Taxes were the highest single budget item, more then food, more then what I paid for my place. This is including all the fees and other nonsense, which are levied irrespective of income.

[Ben Kenobi]

Oh you poor simpleton

What, you want the actual primary source? I'd have to go to the library, but I'm sure I could find it there.

Sanger was a well known eugenicist and one of the things she strove to do was curtail the black population. In this she was extremely successful. Even now, half of all black pregnancies are aborted.

[loinburger]

Only in your sick mind could "We don't want people to get the misguided idea that we're trying to exterminate them" mean "We're secretly trying to exterminate them"

[gribbler]

Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth Control in America, by Linda Gordon, quoting Sanger.

Yeah, quote mining doesn't prove anything. In context it's obvious she was worried about a possible misunderstanding.

[Asher]

Which justifies their spending on abortion clinics? Sorry, no sale. If I am truly free, then I have the right to say no to all these 'services' and I have, with my feet.

Are you saying the $50M a year Canada spends on abortion gets *******s like you to get the **** out?

Best money Canada can spend.

You pay **** in income tax, you're a leach on the system, and you're incomprehensibly stupid. Good ****ing riddance.

[gribbler]

Which justifies their spending on abortion clinics? Sorry, no sale. If I am truly free, then I have the right to say no to all these 'services' and I have, with my feet.

So your argument is that it was easier for black people to vote with their feet when they were enslaved?

[Ben Kenobi]

Only in your sick mind could "We don't want people to get the misguided idea that we're trying to exterminate them" mean "We're secretly trying to exterminate them"

That's not what she said, loin, is it?

She said, we do not want word to get out that we want to exterminate the black population. Where did she say that the notion was misguided? She was an extremely popular speaker with the Klan.

[Ben Kenobi]

So your argument is that it was easier for black people to vote with their feet when they were enslaved?

The choice is between greater and lesser slavery, not between slavery and freedom.

[loinburger]

That's not what she said, loin, is it?

Yes it is you delusional doofus

[Ben Kenobi]

You pay **** in income tax, you're a leach on the system, and you're incomprehensibly stupid. Good ****ing riddance.

And what, pray tell, have I ever collected from the Canadian government to compensate me for the taxes that I have paid for the last 10 years? Diddly-fricking squat. No UI, no CPP, no disability, nothing.

All I ever asked was that they leave me alone, and I would take care of myself.

[gribbler]

The choice is between greater and lesser slavery, not between slavery and freedom.

What kind of twisted mind would think that being able to consume less of the stuff they want is like being someone else's property?

[Ben Kenobi]

Yes it is you delusional doofus

Then find me a quote where she says the desire to exterminate the black race is 'misguided'.

[Asher]

And what, pray tell, have I ever collected from the Canadian government to compensate me for the taxes that I have paid for the last 10 years?

- Education
- Health Care
- Police
- Fire
...

The fact that you have a hearing problem also probably cost me a pretty ****ing penny. You ungrateful bastard.

[Ben Kenobi]

What kind of twisted mind would think that being able to consume less of the stuff they want is like being someone else's property?

That I am compelled, through force of arms to comply with income tax policy, is theft, pure and simple. I earned my money, it is my property, not the property of the CDN government. I worked, they paid me. If I did not work, I would not get paid.

[gribbler]

And what, pray tell, have I ever collected from the Canadian government to compensate me for the taxes that I have paid for the last 10 years? Diddly-fricking squat. No UI, no CPP, no disability, nothing.

All I ever asked was that they leave me alone, and I would take care of myself.

Wow, way to show gratitude to the soldiers, policemen and judicial system that defended your freedom and provided security.

[gribbler]

That I am compelled, through force of arms to comply with income tax policy, is theft, pure and simple. I earned my money, it is my property, not the property of the CDN government. I worked, they paid me. If I did not work, I would not get paid.

Your work would have been worth a lot less without the institutional framework and infrastructure of a developed country.

[gribbler]

Then find me a quote where she says the desire to exterminate the black race is 'misguided'.

Find me a quote where you've said so. Otherwise I'll assume you want to exterminate people.

[Ben Kenobi]

Education

I was in IB, which was paid for by us, not by the government. That exposed the 'quality' of the 'education' I recieved when I was still in the public school system. The same system, btw, that actually denied me admission due to my disability because they wanted to put me in special education.

So public education in Canada can KMA. God knows they didn't ever give a **** about education.

Health Care

Which covered what of the following? Hearing appointments? No. Hearing aids? No. Glasses? No. Optometrist appointments? No. Dental check ups? No. Orthodontics? No.

I suppose they did cover one operation when I was a kid. That's bout it. Great 'healthcare' system that conveniently doesn't cover anything.

Police

I lost 2000+ in a break in. Great job, police at finding and recovering my property.

Fire? Volunteer fire department. City pays nothing. Residents fund it all through their dollars. So what exactly did the taxes contribute to anything?

[Ben Kenobi]

Wow, way to show gratitude to the soldiers, policemen and judicial system that defended your freedom and provided security.

I am showing gratitude to the soldiers, policemen and judicial system that defended me. The folks in America. Thank God for them.

[loinburger]

Then find me a quote where she says the desire to exterminate the black race is 'misguided'.

It would be impossible to find a quote from Martin Luther King where he says that the desire to exterminate the black race is "misguided." Who the hell talks like that? Here's what she did say:

"The campaign for birth control is not merely of eugenic value, but is practically identical with the final aims of eugenics.... We are convinced that racial regeneration, like individual regeneration, must come 'from within.' That is, it must be autonomous, self-directive, and not imposed from without." - The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda

"We maintain that a woman possessing an adequate knowledge of her reproductive functions is the best judge of the time and conditions under which her child should be brought into the world. We further maintain that it is her right, regardless of all other considerations, to determine whether she shall bear children or not, and how many children she shall bear if she chooses to become a mother... Only upon a free, self-determining motherhood can rest any unshakable structure of racial betterment." - Birth Control and Racial Betterment.

In other words, she was a eugenicist like many others in the 30's, but was anything but a coercive eugenicist. Furthermore, she had the support of WEB Du Bois and MLK, which hardly sounds like the monster you'd love her to be.

[Ben Kenobi]

Your work would have been worth a lot less without the institutional framework and infrastructure of a developed country.

My work was and is valued higher abroad than in Canada. Much higher. That, plus the fact that TX is a free state, is completely awesome.

[Ben Kenobi]

In other words, she was a eugenicist like many others in the 30's, but was anything but a coercive eugenicist. Furthermore, she had the support of WEB Du Bois and MLK, which hardly sounds like the monster you'd love her to be.

Well sure, that's because you support eugenics and population control too. You *are* aware that she advocated coercive sterilization which did become policy in many western nations in the 30s?