Who would be the most able American to deliver the end of the world in December 2012?

[SlowwHand]

Typical.

Look, obviously there was a beginning. I'm a creationist and I know there was a beginning. I also know there's no end. I'm saying atheists don't. Is that basic enough for you?

[MikeH]

Why is it not possible to atheists that evolution led to Adam and Eve? The thoughts can coexist easily. We can theorize all we want, but to me, we don't have a true grasp of time, and all that time entails.

"Creationism" as the term is currently understood, mainly through the proponents of "Creationism" denies that Evolution can be possible, because in their eyes the Bible story is literally true.

Many religious scientists are happy to accept that the creation story in the Bible is a metaphor, and in fact as a metaphor for what we understand actually happened it's not that bad. And that seems reasonable to me. Much of the Bible is metaphorical.

[Jon Miller]

And the metaphor is the important part, it contains the message. The literalness is of little importance (other doctrines are not based on it, at least in the Bible).

[C0ckney]

People who can't win can sometimes influence dialogue. Every time trump or whoever talks about obama's birthplace they delegitimize any further criticism.

yes exactly. it's like the tea party, even though though one of their candidates could never win a general election, they can succeed in pushing the republican centre of gravity to the right.

[Hauldren Collider]

yes exactly. it's like the tea party, even though though one of their candidates could never win a general election, they can succeed in pushing the republican centre of gravity to the right.

Actually, they've been quite successful in winning elections...many (most?) of the Republican house freshman consider themselves "tea party".

[Guynemer]

Trump is a "birther" with nothing to lose. He doesn't like Obama and he's going to press the birth issue. That's one of the most basic things about Obama that pisses me off.
He's putting people in the position of arguing about something that could be shown so easily. So, I have a president that is in office illegally, or I have one in office that's so juvenile of thought that he wouldn't just prove it and say "**** you". For that alone, I don't want him. A very basic requirement and he's jackassing around.

JESUS H. MOTHER ****ING TAP DANCING CHRIST

[Hauldren Collider]

Guy, I can tell you're frustrated, so let me put it like this:

Is the birther crap more or less ridiculous and harmful than the vaccine autism crap?

[MikeH]

Both equally ridiculous, but no kids died 'cause of birther crap, so it's much less serious.

[Guynemer]

GAH!

Where the **** did the image go?!

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

[Guynemer]

Both equally ridiculous, but no kids died 'cause of birther crap, so it's much less serious.

This. Birther nonsense raises my blood pressure. Vaccine nonsense gives me the urge to murder Jenny McCarthy with a smile on my face.

[SlowwHand]

JESUS H. MOTHER ****ING TAP DANCING CHRIST

Maybe you should check into blood pressure meds.

[Guynemer]

Maybe you should check into blood pressure meds.

Maybe you should check into reality.

[SlowwHand]

In what regard? You don't think eternity exists? That's about all that you could be arguing with me about. If that's the case, you're the one in need of a dose of reality.

[Guynemer]

In what regard? You don't think eternity exists? That's about all that you could be arguing with me about. If that's the case, you're the one in need of a dose of reality.

I'm talking about your insistance that the birth certificate "debate" is still open, Tex. It never was in the first place.

[SlowwHand]

OK, you're in need of a dose of reality for something altogether different.

April 12th, 2011 11:33 AM
In February, Sarah Palin said the "birther" issue - whether President Obama was really born in the U.S. - was a "distraction" from more important issues.

Over the weekend, though, Palin defended real estate mogul Donald Trump's recent attempts to raise doubts about Obama's citizenship, saying:

"I appreciate that the Donald wants to spend his resources on something that so interests him and so many Americans, you know more power to him."

Perhaps fueled by Trump's rise in the polls, former Alaska governor's remarks on Sunday seems to signal a shift in her opinions on the "birther" issue.

"Obviously there is something that the president doesn't want people to see, that he sees going to great lengths to make sure it isn't shown," she said.

"And I think that's perplexing for a lot of people."

The issue is perplexing from either perspective.

Long ago, the president released a certificate of live birth which many non-partisan watchdog groups say definitively proves he was born in the U.S.

"It's kind of ludicrous at this point," Dr. Chiyome Fukino, the former director of Hawaii's Department of Health, said in a recent interview with NBC.

Fukino says that he has reviewed Barack Obama's birth certificate more than once and said that "birthers" and other doubters will never be satisfied.

Even Bill O'Reilly has called out Trump for his grandstanding, while others, such as John Legend, have alleged that "birther" allegations are racist.

Essentially saying the same thing that I said. Just prove it and move on, but Obama prefers to be a distraction.

[Al B. Sure!]

such as John Legend

American politics are so screwy, I'm going to call them 'Politainment'. This article really felt it worthwhile to mention what a singer thinks? No disrespect to John Legend but a SINGER?

[Guynemer]

OK, you're in need of a dose of reality for something altogether different.



Essentially saying the same thing that I said. Just prove it and move on, but Obama prefers to be a distraction.

Jesus, Sloww. HE HAS PROVEN IT. The birth certificate has been released. It is a bullshit right-wing meme that it hasn't. Look at the ****ing picture I posted. There is no controversy.

[C0ckney]

Actually, they've been quite successful in winning elections...many (most?) of the Republican house freshman consider themselves "tea party".

i meant a presidential election. what you say about the new congressmen is the point i'm making, they are dragging the republicans to the right and making them pander to that constituency more and more, which in turn will move american politics in general further to the right (hard to imagine i know).

[Al B. Sure!]

Jesus, Sloww. HE HAS PROVEN IT. The birth certificate has been released. It is a bullshit right-wing meme that it hasn't. Look at the ****ing picture I posted. There is no controversy.

All I see is a 'Certification of Live Birth'

[OneFootInTheGrave]

all I see is that Palin should be my favourite next president as I am looking forward to the apocalypse

[Hauldren Collider]

i meant a presidential election. what you say about the new congressmen is the point i'm making, they are dragging the republicans to the right and making them pander to that constituency more and more, which in turn will move american politics in general further to the right (hard to imagine i know).

Actually, they're dragging the republicans and everyone else to the right. They've managed to shift the debate from whether to cut spending to how much spending should be cut, and they've brought the public along with it. That's a monumental achievement, when you think about it. They might not get everything they want, and they might not get the public to agree with them, but they've moved everyone in their direction.

[DaShi]

People who can't win can sometimes influence dialogue. Every time trump or whoever talks about obama's birthplace they delegitimize any further criticism.

I don't think Trump really cares. He's just going to try to pander to the extreme right just to see how far it gets him.

[DaShi]

Actually, they're dragging the republicans and everyone else to the right. They've managed to shift the debate from whether to cut spending to how much spending should be cut, and they've brought the public along with it. That's a monumental achievement, when you think about it. They might not get everything they want, and they might not get the public to agree with them, but they've moved everyone in their direction.

And for everyday that we slip farther back, the Chinese push forward.

[Hauldren Collider]

Right. Because government intervention in China has worked really well there.

[DaShi]

Yes, it has. Do you really have no clue about China?

[Hauldren Collider]

I suppose it brought them slightly out of the dark ages, though not fully, albeit at the expense of millions of lives. Those trying to be diplomatic would probably describe that as a "mixed legacy".

[DaShi]

Alright. You don't know anything about China. Understood. I'm surprised you are talking about it with so little knowledge. You're sounding a lot like DFG right now. So why don't you tell us what you think brought them out of the "dark ages."

[KrazyHorse]

Yes, it has. Do you really have no clue about China?

???

The reduction in government interventionism appears to me to be what has allowed the massive increase in wealth of the Chinese over the last 30 years.

[Al B. Sure!]

Alright. You don't know anything about China. Understood. I'm surprised you are talking about it with so little knowledge. You're sounding a lot like DFG right now. So why don't you tell us what you think brought them out of the "dark ages."

Making steel in their backyards?

[DaShi]

Only those companies that the government has intervened in remain competitive national and globally in China.