And on the fleet coming down two tiles:
* I decided these 5 ships in the fort, combined with some subs, missiles and my vast air force should be enough to deal with an invasion fleet.
* especially since putting the fleet two tiles south, within range of about 10 missiles cruisers and a couple of stealth bombers was just not an option IMO, as damaging the fleet severely would also have meant trouble for me
Trade is the name of the game..
True. Bulgaria forgets your slaving / drafting abilities.Bulgaria believes we just got our production even, I think it was quite close beofre CDE.
Yes, and we didn't have that luxury, as a new ground army had to be built up, while mechs had to be researched..so many of my cities were constantly building them. I hadn't build many ground units and almost completely stopped producing them in the last 10 turns.
Trade is the name of the game..
Drafting and slaving is not endless. Egypt makes less food per city than you make hammers per city from corporations and to maximize them he needs to keep its cities size 5 which gives them many disadvantages. Not to mention slavery/drafting anger stacks.
Portugal solely can outproduce in hammers and out-generate more money than Egypt is what I truly believe. Had no time to watch how the new graphs and demographics look, but I can bet that our combined money in GPT and production in hammers are quite comparable at the moment alliance vs alliance based. Our military strength is nearly the same too.
The worst thing you lost hope for winning after so many disappointing losses lately
Normally slaving/drafting reaches its limit quite soon, but my cities/wonders are really set for long term slaving. For some time I have to spend 10% luxury to keep even my 4-6 pop cities happy. they have about 22-23 unhappyness due to slaving-but 10% more luxury would give 4 happy face and I could go up to 100%. Small cities and spneding money on luxury makes my GNP low, but my production is quite good.
Ah, x-posted with Egypt.
Sleep tonight with the things and think again tomorrow about plans/ways to get out of this morale hole you are in now. Giving up is the easiest thing. You can do it at any time anyway
It was fun to suddenly get my demographics showing me that Hungary is 3rd in production and food 8)
I guess Egypt and Portugal are 1st and 2nd now.
I can imagine that things look bad now, but it's true that we haven't lost the war yet.
Keep in mind that numbers don't win the war, it's tactical movement and good ideas. What we did in Carthage wasn't a result of pure muskles at all.
We are not able at all to cross the Roman borders (@Portugal: I'm not crazy, the army that crosses that borders loses, ask Rome, he lost 4 wars against me b/c he moved into my territory and had his army slaughtered. thanks for the xps though!).
And that pass is where the real battle will happen.
And what happens in the Adriatic, in the air and on the ground will decide it.
Destroying Carthage is an important blow, but it certainly doesn't mean the end of the war.
Perhaps Carthage should now support Portugal to try to win the game instead of the other way around. Just thinking out loud about stuff I should not get myself into b/c it's none of my matters
But starting a new game (we start a new one, right?) will for obvious reasons not be too bad either, I learned a lot
Next game I do not wanna be a pawn! (so Rome: next game don't invade me 4 times please!)
Oh, yes, and next time Rome if it happens to ask you to sub for me again, please dont miss 30 turns in the most important initial landgrab phase, so I need to fight 4 nations in the next 5700 years to get what I believe is rightfully mine!
It will be interesting to see the demographics too, but I consider it to be some kind of glitch. Even now I believe Carthage have way more production than Hungary. I have some 1000+ hammers a turn too. Not to mention Portugal. Not sure about Egypt though.It was fun to suddenly get my demographics showing me that Hungary is 3rd in production and food
Very good observation btw. If some nations can have great fun while following lead and not aiming to win the game, why not all players be like this? It must be way interesting to step back and give the leader position in the West to Portugal!Perhaps Carthage should now support Portugal to try to win the game instead of the other way around. Just thinking out loud about stuff I should not get myself into b/c it's none of my matters
A. I promise the next game can not attack the Hungarian more than twice
2. I have not lost faith in victory. Rome will fight to a victorious end (hopefully to our victorious end
3. I Pause the game at the request of Carthage.
Clearly, I'm a bit slow to learn this lessonOriginally Posted by Bulgaria (DoF)
LOL I think you should knew this from your own experience till now.
Clearly, I'm a bit slow to learn this lesson
Oh, that's who you are. Things make more sense now.
Is this one over or are you guys still fighting? I was France fir a while and asked to join Carthage when Portugal attacked me. I didn't even want any cities returned, and would've happily become a pawn of his alliance. Sadly I was refused and destroyed by Portugal. I wonder how things may have been different if i had joined the Carthage bloc?
Also, if this one is over and any of you guys are still in spirits to play some more, I think Ozzy's DoE II game needs a player. DoB needs a sub too if anyone is interested.
It's not over, it's on pause.
Carthage & co is, as far as I know, deciding if they will surrender or not.
If this game is over I intend to start a simular diplogame light game again.
Formerly known as "CyberShy"
Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori
I speak on my behalf but it seems silly to talk of capitulation on our part. we have a strong army, which still can win. But otherwise I agree to play again, I would be pleased to compete again.
Yeah, it is interesting to see the weaker of the bunch to have the highest spirit. Giants, you have a lot to learn about spirit from the smaller ones.
Join the existing games that need players!
Destiny of Empires II, Domination of Barbarians and Gods & Heroes all need players!
Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012
When I was younger I thought curfews were silly, but now as the daughter of a young woman, I appreciate them. - Rah
It's not over. Just very short on time..
I need time to rethink. And I have next week a holiday coming up.
So I hope my allies will be available tomorrow evening for some discussion on how to proceed.
Trade is the name of the game..
Good to hear that!
Formerly known as "CyberShy"
Carpe Diem tamen Memento Mori
See story thread for some updates..
Portugal please contact me.
I have three days before my holiday and I am not sure if I will have internet access..
and we really need to discuss things to come up with a new game strategy (which makes playing on worth while for all involved).
PS. Actually I am going in RL to the location of the Carthaginian city in southern Italy.
Trade is the name of the game..
Was it burned down?
Perhaps it will be, while I am over there
I'll keep you guys posted if I see any Egyptian arsenists..
PS. Sadly I had no troop loaded in one of my transports, otherwise Carmino would already have been secured.
Last edited by Carthage (DoF); April 25, 2012 at 19:31.
Trade is the name of the game..
Only 2 commando divisions were Egyptian, the others were Hungarian and Bulgarian ones, so watch out for those too
And yes, we knew you have no units in those transports and yes, we knew you can kill all units, but cant take the city, thus our transports are safe
Mispost
Actually I think I have a pretty good chance to catch these transports too..
Trade is the name of the game..
Still waiting for contact with Portugal..
Trade is the name of the game..
Still waiting for Portugal..
Trade is the name of the game..
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