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    Destiny of Empires [Diplo Game] [Story Thread 3 - December 2010]

    This is the Story and Diplomacy Thread for the Diplo Game "Destiny of Empires" (DoE)

    The purpose of this thread is to post in-character story posts and diplomacy for this game. Please discuss all organizational aspects of this game the Organization Thread.
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    The Dance of Civilizations is a diplomacy game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by France(Arabia)
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    Meanwhile, in Mecca ....

    Abdullah al-Mahdi asked the chief of foreign affairs "This expert linguist you told me about, where is he now?"

    The chief responded "Up in Caspian Gates trying to teach the local officials Ottoman and Rus."

    "Hmmm. That is useful, but it can wait. Get him down to the coast as soon as possible to meet with these strangers from the sea."

    "Yes, sir, but it will take a several days of travel."

    "So be it"

    (France posting as Arabia.
    Unfortunately, the strange boat had traveled onward before receiving any official messages. Having found a second direction, feeling unwelcomed in these new lands, the crew charted a Rightward coarse that would take them to ever more foreign lands. Little did they know that they were, in a sense, retracing their great ancestors' steps back to their species' origins. Just now, the boat was off the coast of their earlier home of the fertile rivers of the great rift valley system.

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    Notice to neighbours and other lands

    Delhi wishes to buy slaves.

    The Indian nation is in need of workers. Contact the border clans for negotiations. (PM)

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    Notice to neighbours and other lands

    Delhi wishes to buy slaves.

    The Indian nation is in need of workers. Contact the border clans for negotiations. (PM)
    [UPDATE IC]

    Franzen looked at expanding his diplomatic scope and began to discuss deals with the far off nations of Mongolia and India. A tribe of worker citizens were now headed to each of these nations.

    He has issues with Snarg who was constantly demanding more resources in the North but Franzen did not see the dangers. He was a peaceful despot, and one who was about to be crowned as a KING!
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    The Life and Death of Alfred the Great

    A Close Up Of Alfred's MonumentAlfred proved to be a just and respected leader throughout England. As head of the English heptarchy, Alfred oversaw a great expansion of his nation. Alfred carried out his predecessor's wish to settle in Africa, building colonies on the northern coast of Africa of Carthage and Arthurton - named after the father of their nation, King Arthur himself. Alfred also grew the English grasp of their own isles, establishing successful colonies in Ireland and Iceland. The English population continued to grow. East Anglia, Northumbria, Mercia, Scotland and Wales continued to grow and prosper. Wessex continued to grow as well, and the small sleepy village of Plymouth which served as capitol for the province had grown into a full-fledged city under the rule of King Alfred and his son, Edward.

    This expansion would not come without challenges. The Gauls and Neandor disputed Alfred's claim to North Africa. The Gauls built two cities on African land claimed by England. In response, Alfred greatly expanded the English navy and army and sent a force to drive the Gauls from Africa. Alfred was effective in seeking out and establishing friendships with African nations and nations around the world. Despite his great diplomatic ability and reformation of the English military, the alliance was not strong enough to dislodge the Gauls from Africa. A peace was agreed to which respected both nation's African claims.

    The war took its toll on the English heptarchy. The Round Table often fought and argued amongst themselves. Some sought peace, some sought to expand the war. Some members of the Round Table even secretly went behind the backs of their fellow heptarchs to negotiate with the enemy. The internal divisions caused great stress to Alfred as he was dealing with great stress overseas. It was surely a relief for the war to be over, but the stress of holding together the Round Table took its toll. The Round Table was an institution he helped create and was a strong supporter of it till his death. But ultimately, the Round Table was perhaps a factor in his death.

    Alfred died on a cold October morning. Edward, his son, was called in from Wessex and the Round Table was assembled. A funeral was planned and the leaders of all nations were invited. Despite the recent rancor between England and her neighbors the Table hoped that Joan and Franzen would both be in attendance. The Table commissioned a great monument to Alfred the Great in the center of London.
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    Neandor mourns for Alfred

    Once upon a time it was Alfred, Joan and Grunzen. They were great days of ethical conflict, if such a thing were to exist. Wars were fought. Arguments raged but at times they could often sit around a table and talk. Not a round table, a step too far and a table that Grunzen never saw. But Franzen might one day for he now calls for an urgent meeting of the Angle leaders of the Round Table, Joan of the Gauls, and the High Priest Samuel as the nearest African representative in the area of Arthurton. The ancient and extremely old ally, Suleiman of the Turks is also requested for his participation if he so wishes?

    Now why is this meeting needed?

    The citizens of Arthurton have joined the Neandor tribes of their own free will.

    This is not in accord with the wishes of the Neandor leader, Franzen. He had the opportunity to destroy the city but this was never an option for him. He hastily installed a new Governor and an Archer battery, whilst two other Angle soldier units remained resident.

    Franzen seeks this urgent meeting on what action needs to be taken.

    The Neandor do NOT want colonies in Africa, but do claim the sheep grazing fields of Carthage.

    Who is the new Angle leader and what are his thoughts?

    Should Arthurton be relocated? OR transferred to Suleiman or the High Priest who may have better ability in controlling the number of Neandor traveling to the Arthurton resorts?
    The question of whether modern humans and Neanderthals mated when they encountered each other 40,000 years ago is highly controversial.

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    Many things are occurring at once as Franzen readies himself for his coronation in Venetii, the FIRST King of the Neandor EVER. Despotism is out, monarchy is in. Although the Neandor do face a civil unrest situation where the northern Neandors (more strongly the descendants of the original Neanderthal) led by the Commander Snarg are vastly at odds with the Southern ***** footers paddling in the Mediterranean.

    Civil War is a distinct possibility many believe and much depends on the stabilizing influence of the Neandor neighbors - particularly the Russians. Snarg is closely related to the distant cousins in Russia but has participated in a cold war and an immense troop build up on the border between Nordica and St Petersburg. War is a possibility, one that Franzen would not survive as King.

    Franzen urges all nations of influence to calm the situation and open a dialog but Snarg is mustering the biggest army imaginable.
    The question of whether modern humans and Neanderthals mated when they encountered each other 40,000 years ago is highly controversial.

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    Suleiman the Pious broke from his prayers to hear the reports of his ambassadors.

    For many years now, Suleiman had devoted his energies to his religion. He who cleansed the holy places and made the great Jewish shrine in Istanbul in his youth had continued with an ambitious programme of spreading judaism and building temples and monastries across the Turkish land. He had been pleased to support the Indians in their great war of liberation against the treacherous aggressive Arabs, who still massed armies on Turkish borders. He had been pleased to entertain the distant Chinese, and to continue and deepen his friendship with his neighbours. But it was his reglion which had his devoting - the great monument of the southern seas was close to completion - would he see it before death claimed him, as it had done is father Suleiman the Founder?

    But now, he had to act. The rumours of war in the north was of great concern. The revolutions in the south. The news from the west. For many years he had wondered why God had given him the son that he had - Suleiman, known to his men as Suleiman the Eagle. A son who had travelled widely across distant lands, who had a taste for adventure and the sea, who was known to act siwftly and deceively like a eagle stooping for its prey. A son who did not have the piety of his father. But perhaps, Suleiamn the Pious thought as he dictated messages for foreign kings, God had given him such a son for such a time as this. For he would soon be King (he was glad the Neandor were moving to this more enlightened approach). Perhaps now was his time.

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    Crowned Prince Suleiman the Eagle Arrives at Venetii



    Suleiman the Eagle, glad to be travelling once more, now formally reprsenting his aging father who spend longer and longer in the great Jewish shrine, or supervising the building of the monument of the south.

    He was pleased to be invited to the coronation of Franzen as King of the Neandor, and to build his relationship with many of the despots, queens and kings who were present.

    The world would not remain in peace during his reign he was sure. Understanding foreign ways was important, and reminding people of the presence of the Turks.

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    Anarchy, Monarchy and Reorganization in England

    The death of Alfred brought uncertainty to the land of England. Could the heptarchy survive? Who would take Alfred's place as the first among equals? With the addition of lands in Africa, Ireland and Iceland should the heptarchy be expanded?

    This indecision led to a period of anarchy in England. Members of the Round Table vied for leadership of the nation, and fought each other in open war. This dark period went on for several years. Two of the strongest kingdoms in the land, Northumbria and Mercia, waged open war against each other. It seemed the nation would fall apart. Penda, of Merica, allied with Wales and invaded Northumbria. At the Battle of Maserfield Penda defeated Oswald, ruler of Northumbria, killed him and ordered his body dismembered. Mercia, capturing the rich city of York and adding the essential iron mines of Northumbria to its lush Mercian horse stables, Penda seemed prepared to take the whole of England by force.

    Edward, son of Alfred, and heir to the throne of Wessex, had been preparing for this uncertainty for some time. He saw the strain the Round Table put on his father. He saw the feuding and rivalries that emerged. He had a solution in mind. He married the daughter of Rędwald, and thus when Rędwald passed away inherited the throne of East Anglia. With the new lands on the ascendancy he sought to create a division between the old and the new. Brian Boru of Ireland, Kenneth MacAlpin of Scotland, and Malgan of Iceland became strong allies of Edward who now was personal heir to Wessex, London & East Anglia. Edward convinced them all that the heptarchy had to end. The only way to avoid the bloodshed and anarchy of the last few years was to have a one strong leader, a monarch. They feared his proposal, but they feared rule by Penda of Mercia more. Edward guaranteed their continued rule over their lands and asked them to help him consolidate his power in England and support his bid for the throne. Given the choice between Penda the despot or Edward the King, they reluctantly agreed to his alliance.

    As they gathered their forces and prepared to take on the powerful Penda, they were dealt a great stroke of luck. Penda, by then a very old man, died of natural causes and his kingdom passed to his son, Offa. Edward's alliance decided to test this new king, and together with his allies, invaded from all sides. Scotland invaded Northumbria from the north, Wessex invaded Mercia from the south, Ireland and Iceland land troops along the coast. Against the powerful Penda, perhaps they would have been defeated, but Offa could not handle the invasions from all sides. Galahad, ruler of Wales, initially continued to support his Mercian ally, but after seeing the forces aligned against them, opened negotiations with Edward. For their support, Wales was promised a continued presence in the new order. They gave it, and Offa was defeated.

    With Mercia defeated, Edward was crowned king over all England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Iceland and English Africa. He declared that the Round Table would be preserved, but instead of co-rulers, the seats at the Round Table would be for advisors. The new order would be hereditary rule, and the throne would pass to Edward's male heir through primogeniture. Edward began reorganizing the Round Table, and thus the nation. Mercia, Northumbria, Wessex, London & East Anglia were condensed into one province - England, ruled over directly by the House of Wessex. Edward, as head of the house and King, would rule England directly.

    Many changes were made to the local Kingdoms that made up the empire. Shortly after the coronation, Kenneth MacAlpin struck ill with the plague and died, leaving the throne of Scotland to his grandson, Constantine II, who would manage affairs in Scotland and take his seat at the Round Table. The throne of Wales descended from Galahad to his son, Owain Gwynedd and the very old Lancelot returned to Scotland, leaving Hannibal in charge of English Africa. Brian Boru continued to rule over Ireland as did Malgan over Iceland.

    It was believed that Edward had some private sympathies to the new Christian religion which had a hold in Africa and Ireland and was beginning to slowly spread throughout the country, and so granted a seat at the table to Aristobulus, first bishop of Britain. After returning from his explorations through the Mediterranean and Black Seas, the never aging Francis Drake continued to represent the Fishermen and Merchants, and the never aging Roger Bacon continued to represent the Scientists and Thinkers. A new seat was created representing the interests of builders and engineers. John A. Roebling, son of Neandor immigrants, took this seat as the most esteemed and accomplished of this class. Seats were no longer given out to Knights of each region.

    The composition of the new Round Table were:

    King Edward - England
    Constantine II - Scotland
    Owain Gwynedd - Wales
    Brian Boru - Ireland
    Malgan - Iceland
    Hannibal - Africa
    Aristobulus - Bishop of Britain
    Roger Bacon - Scientists & Thinkers
    Francis Drake - Anglers (Fisherman) & Merchants
    John A. Roebling - Builders & Engineers

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    The Imperial Palace in the Gallic capitol, Boulogne-sur-Mer

    Francois Davout found his thoughts wandering as Princess Joan (although officially Queen of Gaul, she never liked the title and insisted on Princess), Jean Touffet, the Head of Foreign Affairs, Andres Dumay, the Head of Cultural Affairs, and General Delacroix discussed some key matters. He missed having Guillaume Magendie at the meeting. He was his close friend. He was also the Head of Civil Construction and was away on an important function. Guillaume was always very relaxed at these meetings, and his sense of humor may have helped break the tension in the room.

    So many things seemed to be happening at once. How could history move so quickly, Francois thought. Princess Joan was prepared to attend the funeral of Alfred in London, but General Delacroix and Touffet were dead set against it. They had argued that the Angles' 'cultural' expansion into traditional Gallic waters should not be recognized by attending the funeral. And after all, the "damned Anglais" had been our enemy and had sunk the Hermione. Joan would have excused all that and attended, for the sake of international relationships. But this English civil war was too much. General Delacroix would never have allowed his wife, and the ruler of his empire to travel across the channel. A politely worded 'sympathy' letter would have to do.

    The crowning of Franzen as King of Neandor was another thing entirely. A large contingent of Gauls, including Princess Joan, would be in attendance.

    The discussion had turned to religion, with Dumay ( a pompous, self-important bureaucrat in Francois' opinion), detailing the spread of various religions in Gallic cities. Joan feigned indifference during this presentation, but Francois, who knew her well from countless meetings, suspected she was paying more attention than she let on.

    And then the discussion returned to culture, and the English Channel as it was known. This is when the tension increased. All were concerned with the Angles' pressure on the territory dividing London and the Gallic capitol. The news that the Angles had just constructed a great library would not help matters. The fishing grounds were now equally divided between the Gauls and the Angles, but that would not be the case shortly. This was a matter of great concern. Adding further angst was that building material for this English library had come from Carthage, a city the Gauls were poised to take in the recent war. That was another probable reason why they negotiated for peace as quickly as they did, in addition of course, as Delacroix pointed out, that the were about to get their 'hides tanned'. Delacroix, Dumay and Touffet debated what to do about current crises.

    Francois watched Joan carefully following the debate. He knew she would soon decide upon a plan.

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    [i]History of the People[/i]: Vol. 1 (pp. 356-8)

    The legacy of Prairie Hawk is hotly debated among scholars. As the first monarch of the People, he attracts criticism from those who view the move to hereditary rule with skepticism. By the same token, his personal attachment to the erection of the Golden Temple of the Gods (now often refered to as "that ugly shiny compensating building") inflames passion on the part of both detractors and admirers. What is clear is that, whatever Prairie Hawk intended with his efforts, the results were far different.

    Prairie Hawk's "ascension" to the Leader's Pelt was enabled by a claim of divine favor for he and his family. The putative pact established between his father, Runs With Buffalos, and "the gods" as they were nebulously termed, was supposed to seal a covenant of good favor and prosperity, in return for worship. Clearly, Prairie Hawk sought with the Golden Temple to cement that covenant on the part of his people, thereby ensuring that he and his descendants would occupy the Pelt for a long time.

    It's unlikely in light of these facts that Prairie Hawk and his advisors anticipated what actually occurred. Because there never had arisen any one specific, dominant deity in the pantheon (we can discount the original, legendary devotion to "Coyote" which myths describe), the People were free to pick and choose among the various gods and goddesses for protection, favor, and afterlife needs. When shortly after the Golden Temple was finished, Prairie Hawk (or his allies at the Temple) tried to establish a specific format of worship, with tithes to the Temple, specified days of attendance, etc., the People rebelled against the idea. After a brief period of relative anarchy (no more than a few years), the culture of freedom to choose whom/what to worship was firmly esconced in the fabric of the culture.

    We can speculate endlessly as to whether the same result would have occurred had one or more of the state religions founded overseas made their way to the Land of the People earlier. Perhaps the seeming advantages of one or more of those religions would have proven sufficiently enticing to the otherwise polytheistic People. What cannot be debated is that, having decided to allow personal conscience to be their guide in matters religious, the People experienced a growing independence of thought that helped propel them forward in many intellectual areas.

    As for Prairie Hawk, the turn away from the "Covenant" by the People left him precariously positioned on the Pelt; it was not long before someone tried to take the symbol of his position out from under him...

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    Meeting to Discuss Arthurton

    King Edward, ruler over all English lands, attends the emergency meeting called together after the funeral of his father, Alfred, to discuss urgent matters in Africa. Representatives from the Gauls, Neandor, Ottomans, and Israel are present.

    "I am so glad you could all attend the funeral of my father. His internment will come shortly, I expect you will all be impressed with what we have planned. Before that however, we have important matters to discuss. Before negotiations begin, please allow me to provide some background on the situation. After years of anarchy and internal strife here in England, we once again have a stable government. It would seem, that this period of instability caused us to temporarily lose contact with our African colonies. News that Arthurton has been taken over by Neandor citizens has come as a great surprise to me, and is most unwelcome today at my father's funeral.

    "My father was aware of the rapid influx of Neandor tourists and residents traveling south from Grunzen City. It wasn't long before the Neandor outnumbered the native English residents. With support from many of the Neandor residents, a local trouble maker, Grok, who is aligned with the Northern Neandor, organized a revolt against English authorities. The local commander and his contingent of troops put it down after a few days of fighting and arrested Grok for his insurrection. Governor Hannibal, recognizing the growing unrest and demographic catastrophe in the city, took action. With the coordination of Bishop Augustine Christian pilgrims from Carthage were directed to establish themselves in the small resort town. The promise of establishing another community for Christ inspired many to make the move.

    "Worried about the demographic imbalance, Governor Hannibal closely monitored the population balance in the town. Before the influx of English Christians from Carthage, the town was 76% Neandor and only 23% English. However things began to change rapidly once the pilgrims started arriving. The following year the English grew to be 34% of the town, the year after they were up to 41%, and the year after that 46%. It appeared to Hannibal that in another year or two everything would soon be normalized and the threat by Neandor insurrectionists would be gone. The radical element in the city however also realized what was going on. They knew if they waited they'd be unable to make any claim to the city so they acted fast. Supporters of Grok broke him out of jail and led one more revolt, this one successful, in taking control of the city.

    "I understand completely that you, Franzen, had no designs on the city, and were in no way responsible for the actions of these local residents in Arthurton. We thank you for working to quickly restore order in the city and for not destroying the city when you had the chance. As you can see, the English were very nearly a majority in the town once again. I am confident that if you return the town to our control that we will have no difficulties in maintaining control into the future. We are willing to cover any reasonable expenses of handing over control."

    King Edward waited for a response from the visiting foreign dignitaries.

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    India repeats claim to eastern river.


    To Xi of China
    In the interests of neighbourly friendship, we request that you abandon your settlement on the Indian subcontinent and relinquish control of its lands to its rightful owners. For it is not right to by might seize from the weak and give to the strong, and your own teachings of Buddhism say so also. Your pride as a great ruler is strong, but also your righteousness, therefore we know that in time you will reassert the balance of the world by agreeing to our humble request.

    May peace and brotherly love guide your meditations
    Siddharta

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    Official Response to Siddharta

    Siddharta,

    I am annoyed with the repetition of your false claims. You claim a river that our people have settled literally 1000 years ago. Not only do WE claim this river, we have built here, created here, and prosper here. You claim we seized this land, this is a lie, justify how we seized it! You also claim to teach us about Buddhism, what do you know of Buddhism?

    We are a fair neighbor, we enjoy wonderful relations with the Japanese. In fact, we provided you the metal needed to reclaim your city lost to the Arabs for free!

    Furthermore, to improve regional relations we have invited you to the Asian summit, a perfect forum for you to voice your concerns. Instead you publicly slander our proud nation and spread lies with NO evidence.

    So now this is my statement to you:

    China claims ALL land south-east of Guangzhou, which we have rightfully settled for over 1000 years.

    India has 2 choices at this moment:

    1- Continue your lies and unjustified claims and you will be declared an enemy of China. Our borders will close, we will declare war on your nation, and our military will occupy your lands until you, Siddharta, are thrown from power and a more honorable leader is instated.

    2- Treat your neighbours with respect and honor truth. Relinquish your false claims and admit publicly that you have no rightful claim to these Chinese lands. You will be declared a friend of China and as such will receive the benefits of friendship. If you question the value of our friendship counsel the Japanese to see how beneficial this can be.

    You have 3 days to decide.

    To the people of India, I promise you that we will have good relations, we have no need for hostility. Whether these good relations are under Siddharta or a new Indian leader is the question.

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    The summit of Atlantica Hill in Calais

    Guillaume Magendie, the Head of Civil Construction stood beside Gaetan, the foreman of the work crew, and Lucien, the head mason. The trio simply stared in awe, as did the other tradesmen. The scale was immense, the statue beautiful, the building surrounding it magnificent, and the craftsmanship unsurpassed. The ivory specialists that had been brought in from North Africa had done remarkable work with the inlays.

    Guillaume thought back to the ancient Greek legend and inspiration for such a wonder:

    He spoke, the son of Kronos, and nodded his head with the dark brows,
    and the immortally anointed hair of the great god
    swept from his divine head, and all Olympos was shaken
    This was Zeus, a tribute to the might of Gaul as well as a warning to all who contemplate crossing her.

    The room was silent, a slight breeze through the exterior corridors flickering the torches which lit the scene. Guillaume spoke softly to the men around him. "The Princess will be pleased. You have done Gaul proud."

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    Meeting to Discuss Arthurton

    King Edward, ruler over all English lands, attends the emergency meeting called together after the funeral of his father, Alfred, to discuss urgent matters in Africa. Representatives from the Gauls, Neandor, Ottomans, and Israel are present.

    ...........


    King Edward waited for a response from the visiting foreign dignitaries.
    Joan almost choked on her glass of wine. Francois was going to come to her aid but she waved him away. Clearing her throat, she stood to speak...

    "King Edward. Once again, my sympathies on the death of your father. He was a just ruler.

    On the matter of Arthurton, and excuse me if I am mistaken, but you seem to be contradicting yourself. You are more than willing to let English ... culture ... (she had a difficult time saying the word) claim Gallic fishing grounds in the English channel, but in North Africa when Neandor culture influences matters you expect King Franzen to respond by giving you back the city. And please, spare me the history lesson of the founding of our two capitol cities. That is ancient history. I am talking about the present. London has six fishing grounds that it can work, whereas Boulogne-sur-Mer has five, and two of those will soon be English. I appreciate that the English children want somewhere to swim. They are more than welcome to swim in Gallic waters.

    So, it would seem to me that you want one set of rules to apply to you and one one to apply to others. As my husband General Delacroix always reminds me: You live by the sword, you die by the sword."

    Her gaze ran over the assembly, and then settled on Edward.

    "But let us hope it does not come to that."
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    By now, The People had grown into a nation. What had several centuries ago just been a few people, had now grown into a network of villages and tribes. Head of The People was a very large man who was called The Man. The Man was a man of few words, but he was considered wise and just.



    The different tribes would gather every full moon and The Man would oversee these proceedings. Lately though, The Man had noticed that The People were growing so fast, that soon this structure would not suffice. Other men were starting to claim they had more power than The Man. Something more organized would be necessary. The Man decided that he would have to do something heroic, something that would make The People so proud that they would elect him to rule until his death, something that would make him the leader beyond dispute.

    The Man had recently heard rumors from his neighbors, the Injuns. They had some sort of new structure going on. He decided he would soon contact the Injuns, and ask for an audience with their leader. But first he would have to collect several good-looking women, and some furs to put on them. He would gift these to the Injuns. The Man called for a messenger, and sent him to the Injuns with his request.
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    Arthurton

    He looked around the table. He was feeling frustrated that all this foreign diplomacy was delaying his coronation.

    Franzen wondered why the High Priest had said nothing. Did he not want a stake in this?

    Edward had offered gold to buy back Arthurton. The Angles represented a strong trading nation for the Neandor but ties were formal. The undercurrent untrusting and a foe to his close friend Joan. Joan's comments on 'Anglais' double standards and hypocrisy represented a clear argument.

    Suleiman also offered gold based on a more complex equation but all the same a desire to purchase Arthurton. Franzen liked this idea. Another close friend of the Neandor, the Turks desired strongly African trade routes.

    Joan reminded Franzen of the Carthage affair and how close it had come to being Gaulic. The Neandor claim the sheep grazing fields East of Arthurton and recognise this area as Neandor whether used by Neandor or not. It was pastured by the Neandor but currently used by the Angles. Why did the Angles settle Africa adjacent to Neandor and Gaul zones without any consultation whatsoever. Even Arhurton was established without proper dialog - merely a hasty message that it was built and would not interfere with Neandor claims. Well, that is certainly true.

    From the outset Franzen did not desire Arthurton. It was an ill located city and will constantly fall to the power of Grunzen City's influence. A worthwhile city could have been established more inland. and more logically part of Israel. The influence of Israel will also bear heavily on Arthurton. How could such a city survive?

    Grok was a trouble maker and is actually the brother of Snarg - two Neanderthal brutes. Snarg was causing trouble from Franzen and some say a plot has developed to undermine his coronation.

    Now Franzen is stuck here sorting out Snarg's mess. Such a diversion from the true affairs of state. Maybe Snarg desires this as he readies the northern Armies for civil war or even global catastrophe.

    The easy and diplomatic solution is to take the Angle gold and see if they can resurrect an Angle enclave this near to Israel.

    The best and most sustaining solution from Neandor's perspective is to follow through on the deal with Suleiman.

    The most politic solution is to hand it to the Africans. Much goodwill could come from this.

    Another idea is to totally relocate Arthurton...

    Franzen was no good at this.
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    Official Response to Siddharta

    Siddharta,

    I am annoyed with the repetition of your false claims. You claim a river that our people have settled literally 1000 years ago. Not only do WE claim this river, we have built here, created here, and prosper here. You claim we seized this land, this is a lie, justify how we seized it! You also claim to teach us about Buddhism, what do you know of Buddhism?

    We are a fair neighbor, we enjoy wonderful relations with the Japanese. In fact, we provided you the metal needed to reclaim your city lost to the Arabs for free!

    Furthermore, to improve regional relations we have invited you to the Asian summit, a perfect forum for you to voice your concerns. Instead you publicly slander our proud nation and spread lies with NO evidence.

    So now this is my statement to you:

    China claims ALL land south-east of Guangzhou, which we have rightfully settled for over 1000 years.

    India has 2 choices at this moment:

    1- Continue your lies and unjustified claims and you will be declared an enemy of China. Our borders will close, we will declare war on your nation, and our military will occupy your lands until you, Siddharta, are thrown from power and a more honorable leader is instated.

    2- Treat your neighbours with respect and honor truth. Relinquish your false claims and admit publicly that you have no rightful claim to these Chinese lands. You will be declared a friend of China and as such will receive the benefits of friendship. If you question the value of our friendship counsel the Japanese to see how beneficial this can be.

    You have 3 days to decide.

    To the people of India, I promise you that we will have good relations, we have no need for hostility. Whether these good relations are under Siddharta or a new Indian leader is the question.

    To Xi of China

    Forgive me for misunderstanding the tenets of Buddhism, as we have yet to receive missionaries, my only contact with your faith has been brief and incomplete, yet from what I understood, perhaps falsely, that balance in the cosmos and in the souls of men are what we should strive towards in our seeking of the divine. Please forgive if I have offended with my ignorance, I seek to learn if I am mistaken.

    As for the issue of Guanzho, which we call in our language "Great fortress", I plead humbly that I may be allowed to address the mighty King. We come to you in friendship, as we have always done and humbly so. We have spread no lies and slandered no one, perhaps I have been misunderstood. I am merely remarking upon our desires which are the desires of all India and will continue to be the desires of all India for as long as we can prophesize.

    We are certain that you are aware that establishing a grand fortress in that position has blocked all Indians from travelling eastwards, in fact you have even publicly warned us against doing so. This has caused great sorrow in our hearts, but we will hold no grudge, nor will we lift any hand in anger. Instead, we will plead patiently that you may sympathize with our plight. You say you now claim all lands southeast of your great fort, yet, have you not by blocking India's passage east done so already? You never came to discuss demarcation of lands between us and chose to send your people far from your home, past much good land, to the very border of Delhi to make a great fort on our eastern border. Yet we are not angry, your splendor make you like a God to us, and we bow in the dust before you. Yet we must also pray to our great God and ask for his mercy and kindness, for what else is a God if not merciful and kind? Greatness in power is not achieved without also greatness in honor, and none have more of each than yourself. And as you know well, for truly the mighty King Xi is the most honorable, honor is for the strong to be kind to the weak, to show justice in all things, to temper strength with mercy. As you are mighty and strong, we are small and weak, and therefore I address your great strength which is also great mercy, in hope that your royal sense of justice will sway your heart to see what all India prays for.

    Our claims are not false, they are honest and humble, we desire to settle in lands that lie near us, that we consider to be part of India. Your current position prevents this, yet we have no desire to cause conflict or ill will. Therefore, we do not threaten or make false claims, I merely state what is true to us. Truth is no weapon, nor are our words. We simply state what we believe to be true. There is no lie in our words, nor are there in yours, yet we have opposing positions. However, I believe that you understand our position well, and as such I am appealing to your great generosity and mercy as it is in your power to act with grandure towards your neighbour. Please, do not block us from the east, please do not set men of war against us, please do not be angry, please heed your honorable heart, please show your greatness through mercy. This is the prayer of all India, we say only, please.

    Your most humble worshipper
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    Decision time and...

    Neandor does not want Arthurton nor do we want a city there. The Damnanglais* should not have built this city. This is obvious to all others I speak to.

    My father, the great Grunzen, spent much time with the ancient Suleiman the Pious and an offer from these times suggests that the area of Arthurton was claimed by the Turks long ago. But the present site is not acceptable. One area [tile] to the South or South East may be acceptable - it will still be a port and have excellent fishing tracts.

    It matters not to the Neandor if the Damnanglais attack and destroy their old city nor does it matter if the approaching Barbarians do likewise. What does matter is the safety of the citizens and relocation and Turk control.

    The Africans have said nought about this affair so I must decide quickly now as my coronation is imminent and must depart very soon for Venetii.

    The Zulus, the Mali and the Israelites may speak up in time and if so new negotiations may be undertaken but that will be with Turks.

    The city area will be gifted to Suleiman and I will discuss the details with Suleiman (which ever one is alive).

    I am sorry Edward but the unannounced actions of the Damnanglais throughout history has disturbed the Neandor. Only when the sheep grazing areas of Carthage are returned to Grunzen City will we find ourselves on equal and friendly terms with you.

    I am sure you find this distressing Edward but I am equally sure your powerful kingdom will find no need of this Arthurton.

    I must rush away now my friends as I have a coronation to attend!

    Franzen.

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    * Damnanglais - a Mediterranean Neandor (the more mixed bread of Neandor and Gaulics) term used to describe an island nation West of Gaul. The Northern Neandor or 'true neanderthal' call them Angles and are remote from their influence.
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    Snarg and Cat

    Snarg laughed a little. There he was, miles from Venetii still stuck in the icy forests with the world biggest army and this southern half bread is claiming the kingship of all Neandor. If only I could speak with my long lost cousin, Cat and end this bitterly Cold War. Then I might visit Venetii for myself!
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    The Glorious Edwardian Golden Age

    By the standards of Alfred and Arthur, Edward's reign was short. In his younger days, he was there, at his father's side, as an already distinguished knight when the Round Table was first established in the days of King Arthur. It seems like ages ago, but after patiently waiting during the reign of Arthur and his father, Alfred, Edward finally had his moment in the sun. Edward's short but glorious reign would overshadow both of his predecessors. During his time on the throne England would see the start of an unprecedented golden age.

    His father concerned himself with territory and war. Edward quickly settled the anarchy known as the Time of Despair, that birthed his reign and moved on to matters he found more interesting. During his many years spent as a junior part of the Round Table he got to know the less heralded members of the Table. He would spend hours talking, debating and listening to the wise Roger Bacon. Guided by Bacon he familiarized himself with every tome and scroll in the London library. Edward was a profound thinker. The stench of flesh on the battlefield and the petty deceit in diplomacy stemmed from humanity's basest instincts he believed. As nobility, and as king, he was the best of humanity, the highest example of man. He should devote himself, therefore, to the highest ideals of humanity.

    Before taking the throne Edward studied painting, art, literature and music. He wrote essays on the philosophy of beauty. As king he promoted the arts far and wide throughout the kingdom. Thanks to his passion for beauty and philosophy, England became the world's leading light in aesthetics, literature and music, promoting such higher virtues and art forms long before the less noble tribes around the world. Edward's interest in philosophy and welcoming of the arts and knowledge attracted many great minds to England. John A. Roebling's parents emigrated from the Neandor, as did the literary giant, Franz Kafka whose Metamorphosis astonished the world with its profound insight and beauty. Gallic culture certainly had a strong effect on Edward, a significant portion of the population of London were in fact Gallic in origin. They too contributed to the explosion in the arts experienced in London. Under Edward's patronage numerous homegrown talents emerged during this period as well. Local authors produced epic poems such as Beowulf and The Canterbury Tales were popular favorites of the nobility in several nations. A local Christian monk, Bede, endeavored to record the whole of the history of the people's of Britain. Angles, Scots, Welsh, Irish, and all the rest. He is the world's first known historian. While not present in London itself, the great philosopher and theologian, the Bishop of Carthage, Augustine, wrote many great works that influenced the dizzying number of thinkers and writers collecting in London.

    With such tremendous talent flocking to England and the London arts scene so vibrant, Edward commissioned a great project to house and collect these great works of literature now being written. The library he explored in his younger days was stretched thin, the worn pages of its books cracked and yellow. This great project, this Great Library, would be the envy of the world. It took several years to construct, but it was the largest library in the world, containing a copy of every book or manuscript in the known world. Edward employed scores of translators and scribes to expand the library. Roger Bacon oversaw the grand project. He had a lesser role during the reigns of King Arthur and King Alfred, but Edward trusted him. Bacon's work took off during this era. Together with the Venerable Bede, he reorganized the calendar. With the great upheaval in English society due to the Time of Despair (the name assigned to the period of anarchy preceding Edward's reign) and the glorious golden age that followed, Bacon & Bede began dating all calenders from After Despair, or AD for short. The Great Library would be an important fixture in English life and advancement for centuries to come.

    King Edward was enamored with all things of beauty and philosophy. He hoped his next great wonder would be a work of exquisite architectural beauty. He imported marble from Carthage, Ivory from the Mali, Gold from the Zulu. He enlisted the engineering know-how of John A. Roebling to complete a spectacular monument to his father and to the glory of England. This great structure would be a mausoleum to house the remains of his father, Alfred, and would from then on be the final resting place for the English royal family.

    Edward spared no expense in building the tomb. Roebling sent messengers to find the most talented artists of the time as well as hundreds of other craftsmen. The tomb was erected on a hill overlooking the city. The whole structure sat in an enclosed courtyard. At the center of the courtyard was a stone platform on which the tomb sat. A stairway flanked by stone lions led to the top of the platform, which bore along its outer walls many statues of gods and goddess. At each corner, stone warriors mounted on horseback guarded the tomb. At the center of the platform, the marble tomb rose as a square tapering block to one-third of the Mausoleum's 45 m (148 ft) height. On the top of this section of the tomb thirty-six slim columns, ten per side, with each corner sharing one column between two sides; rose for another third of the height. Standing between each [pair of] column[s] was a statue. Behind the columns was a solid cella-like block that carried the weight of the tomb's massive roof. The roof, which comprised most of the final third of the height, was pyramidal.

    Edward unveiled the beautiful mausoleum after the state funeral of his father. With foreign dignitaries in London there could be no better display of English might and sophistication. The Mausoleum, the Great Library and Edward's generous patronage of the arts ushered in a golden age the likes of which the world had never seen.
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    Samuel look at his maps.
    Arthurton was founded by the English and then turned over to the Neandors....
    Now it may possibly become Ottoman....

    Samuel never turned up at the meeting because his place was in Israel.
    In fact he cared nothing about the ways of the goiim. Apart from the English none of them had ever been good to Israel. That's why Joshua back then had allowed the English to settle Arthurton. It was in a desert no Israelian wanted to live anyway.

    But turn it over to the Ottomans?
    Not in a million years. The Ottomans..... destructors of Jerusalem!
    The Ottomans were an insult to G'd by claiming to be the chosen nation of JHWH Adonai.

    Then Samuel ordered one of the levites to bring the Neandors the message that any outcome would be acceptable to Israel, except for the Ottomans to get territory on African soil.

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    I Suleiman the Eagle announce to the world that my father, Suleiman the Pious, the true Jewish king, saviour of India, friend of the mighty, builder of the wonders of God, has died.

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    Xi, leader of China, expresses deep regret at the passing of Suleiman the Pious.

    We shall never forget the hospitality shown to our Chinese delegation years ago.

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    Yusuf Efendi relaxed when the door closed.

    His mind was still reeling. It had all happened so quickly.

    He was one of Suleiman the Eagle's friends, a companion of his many travels. He had been sent here to keep watch on the developing tension between the English and the Neandor, and to report to Suleiman at the Coronation.

    But yesterday, the Neandor governor had come unexpected, with great fanfare, and symbolically handed over the keys of the city (keys! there is barely a wooden fence marking the edge of the fisherman's huts). The governor declaring that Arthurton was now Ottoman. The heads of the prominent families followed in - most English, some Neandor. The Neandors bowed offering loyalty and swearing alligence. The English, confused, clearly resentful of the Neandor governor, perhaps showing a glimmer of hope that the Ottomans, ever the friends of the Angles from long ago, might care for them.

    At the end of the ceremony, Yusuf turned to the Neandor soliders and nodded expectantly. The captain looked over to the Neandor ex-governor who shook his head slightly. The captain saluted Yusuf but then turned, his soliders following. The meaning was lost on nobody - whatever the ex-governor said about the town, the soliders remained under Neandor command.

    That evening he had dispatched a messenger to Suleiman, detailing what had happened, wondering if Suleiman knew what was happening. Was this part of some deal which he was ignorant of? Signing off he promised that he would maintain order in the town, and care for the people, until he heard word. How, when his total man power numbered 10 Turks he wasn't sure.

    Dawn came early. The sun had barely cleared the horizon over the great sand desert, when there were messengers waiting for audience.

    The first, announcing that a large force of desert people, barbarians to the man, had been spotted in the desert marching for Arthurton. He could not defend the town. Perhaps the Neandor troops could, perhaps, but would they? What was going on? He regretted his confident words sent to Suleiman the previous night.

    The second, a messenger from the Neandor ex-governor, simply stated "It is necessary that the town is moved, leagues to the south, to the bay of coral". Yusuf looked blank. His mind racing - "Was he not governor now? The bay of coral is far from the best fishing grounds, based there the fishermen could not prosper, the Neandor of Grunzen city would always take the best catch. And how many people would die - you can't move a town!" The messenger bowed and left.

    Yusuf Efendi relaxed as the door closed, and turned to his friends. "What on earth are we meant to do?"

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    In the Year 70 AD the Russians adopted the Christianity to save their immortal souls and leave behind their pagan beliefs.

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