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    Mind Control vs Total Thought Control issues?

    Hi there. Long time lurker, first time poster.



    I've heard before here and elsewhere that the difference between MC and TTC is that MC is 100% successful but counts as an offensive move, whereas TTC has a failure rate but guarantees no reaction. I'd never really tested it, as I tended to use MC during wars to coerce factions to surrender.


    Oddly, in my current game as the University on Specialist, I found the opposite.


    I have a treaty with Lal, but our boundaries are... odd. I appear not to have a territory boundary, so he can move his sea units right next to my land base grid and claim that he has no military units in my borders. He has a territory boundary so I have no such luxury. Never seen anything like this in any of my other games.

    As a result, he built a sea base whose edges encroach on one of my land bases - the same one he'd trespassed near before. I wasn't having this, but I didn't want a war. I wasn't strong enough in his eyes to demand anything, let alone a base, and I wasn't about to give him anything for it, so I sent probes to take it over quietly.

    I used TTC successfully, but the second value was 0% (1st was 50%), so the team died. Next turn Lal furiously demanded an extortionate amount of my credits - around half, maybe more. I refused and he declared vendetta.


    Damn that, I thought. I reloaded and did the same things again like four times. Exact same results.

    So I reloaded again and started using MC (100%, 34%) instead. No consequence, even after reloading multiple times. Got off scot free for a lower risk strategy. The team still died because my morale was crap from running Wealth, but that was no worry.



    I'm using unpatched vanilla SMAC - I'm running Windows 7 on this (borrowed) computer, don't want SMAX and the patch causes problems.

    Is this a bug?

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    I think ttc means that you dont get extra drones as captured base if you succeed.

    Remark: probe morale is not affected by the overall Morale, only by some technologies that you own (or not). I always use wealth, later with Eudaimonia (so i have -4 morale), but my probe teams still spawn elite.

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    Thanks!

    Also turned out that I was a moron - Lal was actually declaring vendetta on me instantly every time I used MC, but just wasn't announcing it. In the end I didn't bother probing the base and he declared war on me a few turns later anyway.

    I took the culprit base by force, probed a few others and now he's my slave.

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