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  • #1

    Falling in Love...

    ...with the Coalition government...

    As a card carrying Lib Dem, clearly I should be pretty cautious about getting in bed with the Tories - but this Coalition seems to be a different beast altogether...

    Take the latest focus on benefits:

    Higher tax earners are to be stripped child benefit payments

    Unemployed families are to have their benefits capped to a maximum of £500/week for everything - including ending the open ended house allowance benefits loophole...

    Not to mention a whole raft of Lib Dem policies getting in either at the forefront of policy, or via the back door (e.g. Trident looking increasingly unlikely to be replaced like-for-like).

    It's great, so far IMHO, it's like most of the best of the policies of both parties are being chosen, with the worst either being kicked into touch, or being seriously watered down...
    Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?
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    Hey, you are supposed to be a nutcase - stop saying things that I can agree with
    With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

    Steven Weinberg

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    • #3
      yeah watching from a distance, it seems like the coalition is doing a good job. they've inherited a very difficult situation and seem to be making the best of it.

      the one thing that's disappointing is the fact that the only electoral reform on the table is reducing the number of MPs and making constituencies equal in size (which i support) and the AV voting system (which i don't). proportional representation now
      "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

      "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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      • #4
        Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
        proportional representation now
        You can't handle the truth!
        With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

        Steven Weinberg

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        • #5
          Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
          the one thing that's disappointing is the fact that the only electoral reform on the table is reducing the number of MPs and making constituencies equal in size (which i support) and the AV voting system (which i don't). proportional representation now
          Unfortunately, you can only push a Tory so far, AV is about as far as you can get them to swallow what is something they are entirely ideologically opposed to. AV now (hopefully!), PR next.
          Is it me, or is MOBIUS a horrible person?

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          • #6
            the problem is that i don't see AV as a step in right direction. i think it will produce perverse results that reflect the proportion of votes cast even less well than first past the post.

            although obviously it's hard to predict how people would have voted/will vote under it, there's some research which suggests it would have produced bigger majorities in 1979 and 1997. making landslides bigger is not the kind of electoral reform we need.
            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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            • #7
              I'm not sure that you guys really know what PR mean. You have currently two major and one minor parties and think that you are in a major crisis because two parties has to cooperate. After PR, I guess that you will at least have 12 parties (three current, 3 seperatist, green, socialist, nationalist and probably three special brit parties). My comment about wether you can handle the thruth or not wasn't really a joke.
              With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

              Steven Weinberg

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              • #8
                Wouldn't proportional representation just put a lot of power in the hands of backroom party bosses? It never struck me as a good idea.
                John Brown did nothing wrong.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Felch View Post
                  Wouldn't proportional representation just put a lot of power in the hands of backroom party bosses? It never struck me as a good idea.
                  Either there are a very big misunderstanding here or you don't know the concepts of PR. In PR these big fat backroom party bosses will loose all their power
                  With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.

                  Steven Weinberg

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by C0ckney View Post
                    yeah watching from a distance, it seems like the coalition is doing a good job. they've inherited a very difficult situation and seem to be making the best of it.

                    the one thing that's disappointing is the fact that the only electoral reform on the table is reducing the number of MPs and making constituencies equal in size (which i support) and the AV voting system (which i don't). proportional representation now
                    Proportional representation is a step backwards for democracy. It further entrenches party politics, hierarchy, power and the possibility of corruption in the conduct of politics. Why do you think France abolished it?

                    Compulsory attendance at the voting booth (but not compulsory voting) +AV preferential system is the best way of obtaining the political preferences of the public at large. It's the Australian way. Make it the Anglo-Australian way--today.

                    Lastly, equal size constituencies are good in principle.
                    "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."--General Sir Charles James Napier

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                    • #11
                      AV

                      Cameron-Clegg
                      Captain of Team Apolyton - ISDG 2012

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by BlackCat View Post
                        Hey, you are supposed to be a nutcase - stop saying things that I can agree with
                        This.
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #13
                          I'd prefer AV to true PR.
                          Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                          Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                          We've got both kinds

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Zevico View Post
                            Proportional representation is a step backwards for democracy. It further entrenches party politics, hierarchy, power and the possibility of corruption in the conduct of politics. Why do you think France abolished it?

                            Compulsory attendance at the voting booth (but not compulsory voting) +AV preferential system is the best way of obtaining the political preferences of the public at large. It's the Australian way. Make it the Anglo-Australian way--today.
                            the problem we have here is that our system does not reflect the votes people cast nationally. it favours the two big parties, especially the labour party, at the expense of the lib dems and smaller parties like the greens and UKIP. for example 800,000 people voted for UKIP at the last election, result, 0 UKIP MPs. AV+ will give the lib dems a few more MPs but not anything like their share of the vote and the smaller parties will still get screwed.
                            "The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.

                            "The most obvious predicition about the future is that it will be mostly like the past" - Alain de Botton

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                            • #15
                              Good. The smaller parties are still almost universally extremist nutcases.
                              Jon Miller: MikeH speaks the truth
                              Jon Miller: MikeH is a shockingly revolting dolt and a masturbatory urine-reeking sideshow freak whose word is as valuable as an aging cow paddy.
                              We've got both kinds

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