Production strategies

Lord Byte · September 30, 2010, 19:24

There are two types of very powerful production city sites that don't seem like it at first.

The Fishy Seaport

Early game look for fish (try and get at least 3 or 4 tiles), which is a nice resource in its own, combined with a lighthouse you get 4 food on one tile, and with a work-boat 3 gold. Very nice! But it doesn't stop there. Go for Navigation as soon as possible. Once you get it all of a sudden all that fish gives another 2 hammers

And because the lighthouse gives you 2 food on a water tile you've got a very powerful production city indeed! The fish gives you the possibility to support several mines. This is without wonders (like the colossus) which would give every ocean tile a 2F 2G thanks to the lighthouse!
Another thing is that fish tiles are pretty common and getting three in a city's radius isn't that hard, and it'll pay itself tenfold!

The Plain(s) City

Go for a huge barren plain, preferably (but not necessary) with a river running through it. Now make every tile a farm, Every tile can support itself and gives you 2F 1H and any near the river a bit of gold. The interesting thing is that with a bit of tech it quickly goes up to 3F, get a golden age and all of a sudden you've doubled your productivity. It quickly becomes more powerful than the usual hills + grasslands, especially combined with a golden age strategy. That unassuming plain that no-one liked can become a very nice production powerhouse and reminds me a bit of the good old cottage industry of CIV.

jobe · October 1, 2010, 07:37

Agree on the plains - actually even without rivers. Obviously a lot of plains next to a river in combination with Civil Service (+1 food for farms next to a river) and a Golden Age are optimal, but even like that a couple of farmed plains, together with a mine or two (maybe a granary in teh city) goes off especially in a Golden Age.

Civ4 this is not, one wants food, but it´s not only about food anymore since the awesome mechanic of Slavery got murdered somewhere in the transition from Civ4

The Fishy Seaport seems .. fishy

The Sea Port gives +2 hammers to sea resources, not sea tiles if I understood that correctly. So only your fish/whale/pearls are boosted, not the normal water tiles though. Obviously if you hav a city with 4 or even 5 sea resources it can still be a good way of setting up a good production city the way you described it.

I´m not sure though it´s worth researching Navigation with a priority "just" for that.

Lord Byte · October 1, 2010, 09:15

It's very hard to beeline for something unless you can get a couple of wonders, you'd fall behind in other ways, but it's definitely worth to prioritize it. I'm pretty sure it was every worked sea tile that gave me 2 hammers, although I don't have the save to verify. It outproduced my capitol even though it was located in a tundra... I almost reached seaport in my current game and I'll let you know (with screenie).

Guynemer · October 1, 2010, 11:56

I'm 99% sure Jobe is right, but I haven't been fortunate enough to find any coastal spots with abundant fish to make a seaport worthwhile, so I can't be certain.

There is one in my current game, potential for 5 or 6 sea resources, but I'll have to escort a settler past the damned Iroquois and Persians to get at it, and I'm trying to go cultural... probably not the best strategy given my civ... I almost always go random to force me to try new things, this time I'm Japan.

pdxsean · October 1, 2010, 22:13

I don't think that anyone disagrees over the seaport thing (it does only work with sea resources, I build them in some ports) but I'd like to know where he's finding these cities with four or five fish! I guess on tiny islands, it would really make them worthwhile. Either way, I think this is a good strategy if you happen across one of these cities, maybe on the tip of a peninsula or a strategic island.

Unfortunately Civ V doesn't really reward having strategic islands like IV would have. At this point, there's not a lot of AI participation in sea warfare...

Crustacian · December 9, 2012, 10:52

Try playing against Dido in an AI game if you want sea warfare...granted she is not a human but can still crank em out!

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afsheen · March 22, 2013, 02:43

Originally Posted by Lord Byte

It's very hard to beeline for something unless you can get a couple of wonders, you'd fall behind in other ways, but it's definitely worth to prioritize it. I'm pretty sure it was every worked sea tile that gave me 2 hammers, although I don't have the save to verify. It outproduced my capitol even though it was located in a tundra... I almost reached seaport in my current game and I'll let you know (with screenie).

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afsheen · March 22, 2013, 02:43

Originally Posted by pdxsean

I don't think that anyone disagrees over the seaport thing (it does only work with sea resources, I build them in some ports) but I'd like to know where he's finding these cities with four or five fish! I guess on tiny islands, it would really make them worthwhile. Either way, I think this is a good strategy if you happen across one of these cities, maybe on the tip of a peninsula or a strategic island.

Unfortunately Civ V doesn't really reward having strategic islands like IV would have. At this point, there's not a lot of AI participation in sea warfare...

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