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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Plomp View Post
    "The Great War" (though perhaps some civs do not consider the war to be that great, as in 'awesome, let us do it again') (which makes it once again very ironic that the only nation that may consider WW1 to have been a Great (w00t) war is Russia, but Russia refers to it as "WW1", imagine how much greater Russia imagines WW2 to be )
    wait... didn't everyone think that war was awesome?!? Especially the French story posts during the war... I for one definitely feel like "awesome, let's ride that ride again"

    Is that bad? Does that make me a bad person or something?

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    We have a different name for the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Israel (DoE) View Post
    We have a different name for the war.
    The War of the Indefinite Screwing Over?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russia (DoE) View Post
    Hahahh... all good points, Robert Plomp The First

    Russia considers this war to be truly awful, nothing even close to Great, except that our alliance won at the end. But looking at it practical, Russia did finished the war with lower GNP than when it entered it + the five-digit debts. Only in diplomatic stance I feel better than before entering the war.

    I have told Veneta many, many times that war in Europe must not be allowed by any means and it will be real disaster for all the Europeans. It is only satisfying that the supposed stronger players jumped at each-other instead of heading for the still bows and sticks armed other parts of the world. In this regard, the idea of packing all the Tier1 players in Europe was great success.
    I completely agree.

    And while all the big boys were beating the crap out of each other those bow & stick civs caught up a lot of ground, which was also part of the wisdom of this. Tiers are an unqualified success.
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    Incan histories proffer the following:
    The Great War began with the sack of English cities and culminated in the Israeli "backstabbing".
    The Great War ended in an uneasy cease-fire, followed by about 100 years of relative peace.
    The War on Israel began after this, directly connected to but not a part of the Great War.
    The War on Israel was concluded, then the Second Great War began, lasted a brief time, and ended with a fairly diplomatic flourish that saw most of the gains of the Great War erased for the Central Powers.

    Now, the only current conflict is the Japanese Consolidation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoman Empire (DoE) View Post
    wait... didn't everyone think that war was awesome?!? Especially the French story posts during the war... I for one definitely feel like "awesome, let's ride that ride again"

    Is that bad? Does that make me a bad person or something?
    No - you are definitely a good person.



    (And I agree.... an awesome war! And thanks for the acknowldgement. I only hope I can do as well in peace time. )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inca (DoE) View Post
    Incan histories proffer the following:
    The Great War began with the sack of English cities and culminated in the Israeli "backstabbing".
    The Great War ended in an uneasy cease-fire, followed by about 100 years of relative peace.
    The War on Israel began after this, directly connected to but not a part of the Great War.
    The War on Israel was concluded, then the Second Great War began, lasted a brief time, and ended with a fairly diplomatic flourish that saw most of the gains of the Great War erased for the Central Powers.

    Now, the only current conflict is the Japanese Consolidation.
    Shouldn't this be in the Story thread?

    Anyway, I disagree... Russia and France remained at War from when France declared War on England, until after Israel surrendered, so Turkish history would likely show that there was one War, which arguably is still going, continuing on into the current India-Japan conflict, which is clearly related to the Great War at least if not a continuation of it.

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    Happy Birthday Rhothaerill.


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    Quote Originally Posted by France (DoE) View Post
    No - you are definitely a good person.



    (And I agree.... an awesome war! And thanks for the acknowldgement. I only hope I can do as well in peace time. )
    Thanks ! And I think that really the only participants (direct or indirect) in the War that are actually better off than if the War never happened, are Inca, Mali and Japan. Everyone else is the same or worse off... But what a great ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by England (DoE) View Post
    Happy Birthday Rhothaerill.

    Thanks

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    Pretty much everyone that didn't participate is better off given that the top contenders all beat themselves silly and leveled the playing field.

    Natives, China, Zulu, etc, etc, all benefited also.

    At present, I can safely say the war has cost me thousands of gold tonnes.

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    Happy birthday Rhothaerill!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inca (DoE) View Post
    At present, I can safely say the war has cost me thousands of gold tonnes.
    Why was that?

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    France

    Anyway loans are gain, not "cost" as you get a return on them, but I agree that the War was costly for all involved. Even those who benefit had to give up a lot to get those gains.

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    @Ottomans.

    Nice story. I wish I'd thought to use that. What's Opera Doc is one of my favorite Bugs Bunny cartoons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inca (DoE) View Post

    Now, the only current conflict is the Japanese Consolidation.
    That would be the war of Japanese aggression and betrayal.

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    Can we change the name of the last war to the War of Viking, French, Neandor and Israeli Aggression and Betrayal?

    Though I admit that The Great War is catchier.

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    Japan is not in a war of aggression only of expantion.

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    Consolidation.

    Apparently I was a little late to the story thread today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by England (DoE) View Post
    Can we change the name of the last war to the War of Viking, French, Neandor and Israeli Aggression and Betrayal?


    The last war was of the Ottomans betrayal.
    It was the war before that one that was about Israel's betrayal.

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    There is only one War. The current conflict between Japan and India is arguably a new one but there is no way to reasonably argue that the first war ever ended when France never made Peace with Russia (or England IIRC) and was in possesion of the Entire Viking and Neandor Navy. The war was just continuing full swing by proxy.

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    France made peace with England and returned our cities. England considers the Great War to be over. Japan vs. India may be related, but we consider it a different war.

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    I can certainly appreciate the English Analysis. But that still agrees with my point that the treaty between England France Valhalla Turkey Russians and Neandor was the end of the war, not the cease fire between Israel and Turkey, since the war was still going on between England France and Russia

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    The US and N Korea are still technically at war, but given that no one has shot anyone in like 50 years, we don't call it as such.

    There was a very long period of time where troops under English/Russian/Ottoman banners never attacked or were attacked by those under Viking/French banners. Simple as that in our analysis.

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    Nope, the hostilities never ended between England, France and Russia till now. Despite not fighting great battles for about 5-10 turns after the battle at Erkon Oasis Hills, the preparations and the tactical outdance never stopped.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoman Empire (DoE) View Post
    I can certainly appreciate the English Analysis. But that still agrees with my point that the treaty between England France Valhalla Turkey Russians and Neandor was the end of the war, not the cease fire between Israel and Turkey, since the war was still going on between England France and Russia
    Oh yea, certainly.

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    I am aware that there was some dancing going on, but that's still different than an actual campaign. No campaigns for decades = peace in my book.

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    It was campaigning - gathering all those units in place and waiting/looking/searching for a chance to actually destroy the opposing armies. But this isnt too important. The main thing is that we finally have peace (with small exceptions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Russia (DoE) View Post
    Nope, the hostilities never ended between England, France and Russia till now. Despite not fighting great battles for about 5-10 turns after the battle at Erkon Oasis Hills, the preparations and the tactical outdance never stopped.
    I can second that point. In fact, it was pretty frantic and tense at times, what with the DA sailing all over the place.

    damnanglais! :spit:

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    You can well say "damn Georgii" too

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