The new dating game

[Heraclitus]

Its a long but interesting article, if I post its whole lenght people will just TLDR so I'm encouraging people who will read it to quote the parts they agree or disagree with.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/new-dating-game

Evolutionary psychology also provides support for a truth universally denied: Women crave dominant men. And it seems that where men are forbidden to dominate in a socially beneficial way—as husbands and fathers, for example—women will seek out assertive, self-confident men whose displays of power aren’t so socially beneficial. This game of sexual Whack-a-Mole is played regularly these days in a culture that, starting with children’s schoolbooks and moving up through films and television, targets as oppressors and mocks as bumblers the entire male sex. Not surprisingly…many women satisfy their yearning for dominance by throwing themselves at bad boys or even worse.

…delayed marriage (the average age for a woman’s first wedding is now 26, compared with 20 in 1960, according to the University of Virginia-based National Marriage Project’s latest report); reliable contraception; and advances in antibiotics (no more worries about what used to be called venereal disease). No-fault divorce, moreover, has pushed the marriage-dissolution rate up to between 40 and 50 percent and swelled the single-female population with “cougars” in their 30s, 40s, 50s, and beyond. On top of it all is the feminist-driven academic and journalistic culture celebrating that yesterday’s “loose” women are today’s “liberated” women, able to proudly “explore their sexuality” without “getting punished for their lust,” as the feminist writer Naomi Wolf put it in the Guardian in December.

All this takes place to a basso profundo of feminist cheerleading.

While it’s a truism that the main beneficiaries of the sexual revolution are men, it is only some men: the Tucker Maxes, with the good looks, self-confidence, and swagger that enable them to sidle up successfully to a gaggle of well turned-out females in a crowded and anonymous club.

Out of such [an environment] was born the “seduction community,” part band of brothers, part nakedly commercial and ferociously competitive business enterprise.

The percentage of children growing up in fatherless families—a chief risk factor for social pathologies—has risen concomitantly: from 9 percent of all households with children in 1960 to 26 percent today. On the plus side of the ledger, these negative trends don’t affect the college-educated as severely. College-educated women have significantly higher rates of marriage and lower rates of divorce than women without college degrees. The bad news is that such women, who tend to marry late, have far fewer children. In 2004, according to the Census Bureau’s Current Population Survey, 24 percent of women ages 40 to 44 with bachelor’s degrees were childless, in contrast to 10 percent of women without a high school diploma. Marriage is slowly becoming a preserve of the elite, who pay a price in severely reduced fertility.

[Blogger] Roissy often writes of a coming “apocalypse,” a thorough collapse of civilization thanks to the stalling of its reproductive matrix.

Edit: The last bit I have come to on my own some time ago. Once the average male figures out he has no reason to choose marriage or long term relationships over his video game addiction we shall see massivley reduced productivity. Once he sees all that the sexual marketplace is not in his favor we can expect them to devalue status items. Combine this with anti-male culture and I can see a lot of men being just content with survival instead of working hard for a higher standard of living. The shortfall in taxation as well as hit to birth rate and a full blown marriage strike will be a bemoaned as an unexpected shock and we will see attempts to shame the males into picking up their traditional responsibilities without any of the perks.

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BTW Upon inspection Roissy is a total duchebag but an awesome blogger and has solid understanding of game. I recomend.

[DaShi]

Still tldr.

[David Floyd]

Yep, it's the same thing I've experienced throughout life. Nice guys finish last when it comes to women. Once I stopped trying to be a stereotypical "nice guy", I started doing much better.

[DaShi]

Oh DF. I can't imagine you were ever a nice guy.

[Heraclitus]

Still tldr.

Read the bolded parts to get the gist.

Yep, it's the same thing I've experienced throughout life. Nice guys finish last when it comes to women. Once I stopped trying to be a stereotypical "nice guy", I started doing much better.

The Nice guy. This normaly means a suplicating guy, who also tries to build rappot. I was such an idiot at one point.



Having game or sometimes even being just a plain old arsehole work much better anecdotal evidence suggests.

[DaShi]

I find being myself works and I have a lot of issues.

[Heraclitus]

I find being myself works and I have a lot of issues.

If yourself has natural game this is great. In any case nice guys seldom are. They are rightfully despised since they are just kissing the hot babe's ass and being completley fake.


For all you nice guy white knight wanabe manginas reading this I propose you be honest with yourself and your motives for being nice to women and try being more honest or doing something that works.

[David Floyd]

Having game or sometimes even being just a plain old arsehole work much better anecdotal evidence suggests.

Definitely. Compliment a girl, and she doesn't care. Don't compliment what is obviously meant to be noticed, and all of a sudden she's wondering why you aren't complimenting her. It hurts her self-confidence, which is good, and makes her wonder about you, which is better.

[David Floyd]

If yourself has natural game this is great. In any case nice guys seldom are. They are rightfully despised since they are just kissing the hot babe's ass and being completley fake.

Yep.

[Imran Siddiqui]

Having game or sometimes even being just a plain old arsehole work much better anecdotal evidence suggests.

Only, really, if you just want to hookup and leave.

[Heraclitus]

Only, really, if you just want to hookup and leave.

Not really, I got and maintained all my long term relationships with game.

[David Floyd]

Not necessarily. Sometimes being the ******* can be done to get your foot in the door. I think more accurately, it isn't that women only LIKE *******s, it's that they only NOTICE *******s. Especially in a bar scene, or similar environment.

[David Floyd]

Wow, me and Hera are x-posting essentially the same thing

[Imran Siddiqui]

Being a "plain ole arsehole" doesn't really result in successful long term relationships.

[David Floyd]

It can be the first step.

[Heraclitus]

It can be the first step.

Exactly. Arsehole game is just a tiny subset of strategies that work. It just happens to be very fun if you are a bit vengefull and the fact is all of these strategies need you to at one point break social convetions or at least expectations in order to get a womans attention in a night club environment.



Once in a relationship being dominant (even while while having genuine interest or even feelings for the girl) can be sufficitent to keep her happy. You must however never be afraid to call her on her ****.

Wow, me and Hera are x-posting essentially the same thing

I noticed that.


Truth is truth I suppose.

[Riesstiu IV]

Seriously though, never get married.

Still tldr.

Summary: Get money. F*ck b*tches.

[Heraclitus]

Seriously though, never get married.

Marriage is dying for all except the upper class. More men are realizing its a bad deal for them every day. The Black community in the US was the canary in the coal mine, soon the everyone will adopt the same post-patriarchal mating patterns.





I think marraige as a common institution will be unless the laws change dead by 2040 in the US.

Summary: Get money. F*ck b*tches.

[Dauphin]

Are these unmarried women spinsters, widows, or divorcées?

[Heraclitus]

Are these unmarried women spinsters, widows, or divorcées?

Spinsters I guess. Tho spinster is a bit unPC.

The % of women who never marry and those who divorce has been the primary driver of the growth of unweded women.

[Dauphin]

It's why I called my ex-girlfriend that.

[Elok]

I got my wife by acting like myself. Acting like anybody else is just too much ****ing hassle, especially when you're going to have to build a relationship on it.

[Theben]

Having trouble getting laid recently, Hera?

[OzzyKP]

Spinsters I guess. Tho spinster is a bit unPC.

The % of women who never marry and those who divorce has been the primary driver of the growth of unweded women.

I heard that term for the first time recently watching an old black & white movie. I had to look it up. But I love it. If it weren't insulting I'd use it all the time.

[Heraclitus]

Having trouble getting laid recently, Hera?

Not really since I'm currently in a relationship. Why?

[Imran Siddiqui]

I got my wife by acting like myself. Acting like anybody else is just too much ****ing hassle, especially when you're going to have to build a relationship on it.

Truth. It really is simple: be yourself. And if 'yourself' isn't self confident enough, then you really need to work on yourself first rather than going out looking for a relationship.

[Elok]

Yeah. I actually met my lady after I'd said "screw it" to dating and decided to just let things happen however.

I must say, though, all this racism and misogyny we've had lately makes a refreshing change of pace from the usual gay/religion hatefest. The question is, where do we go from here? Ageism?

[dannubis]

"Screw it"

Religion

[Riesstiu IV]

Yeah. I actually met my lady after I'd said "screw it" to dating and decided to just let things happen however.

I must say, though, all this racism and misogyny we've had lately makes a refreshing change of pace from the usual gay/religion hatefest. The question is, where do we go from here? Ageism?

We already did ageism. Remember all the anti-baby boomer threads discussing how they ran the US into the ground after years of economic mismanagement?

[DaShi]

Yeah. I actually met my lady after I'd said "screw it" to dating and decided to just let things happen however.

I must say, though, all this racism and misogyny we've had lately makes a refreshing change of pace from the usual gay/religion hatefest. The question is, where do we go from here? Ageism?

I miss the gay/religion hatefest.