Beyond the Pit [Pitboss Diplomacy Game] [Story Thread] . PART 11 (June 2009)

[Pitboss Japan]

- In your post before mine (June 6, 2009, 07:21 ) never suggested the lose of Osaka and Owari, You only stated that in your PM, after that I had to reconsider the cease fire for that turn.

-You also said that the cease fire starts in the turn when we fullfill that 4 requirement (ie, no moving no drafting etc) so i did not brake any agreement but as i said i could not start it. Cheap try to get me discredited.

-No other nations ever replied to your cease fire offer. Standing down when the Oldonians keep drafting (they drafted after you wrote your cease fire proposal) could had been very disadventageous for us.. to say at least.

[Pitboss Japan]

What do you think the Oldonian civilians killed in your army's capture of their city think of your words?

Try not to pretend that the poor Oldonians are the victim here. It was them who declared war on us for "breathing space", it was them who first attacked us, it is them who are constantly refusing peace ... if they are a victim then they are the victim of their warmonger ruler..we want nothing from them yet they will be rewarded by You...

Now we are offering more than 1/3 of our cities but it's not enough for you.. yet you expect us to stay back, even give you our troops and leave us in dust..

And Piercia.. we were forced then to accept the treaty which left half of our cities in Russian hands. But we tried to live in peace, it become impossible after the Russians evil actions.
But here comes Rome and his fabolous offer: "betray Sparta and you can keep the lands you have now-just stay back untill i destroy them..." We would had no honor accepting such an offer.

Yoshiro Nakamatsu

All hail to Rome, ruler of the world, who decides who lives and dies. Nice future we have.

[Pitboss Maya]

[Pitboss Rome]

Archelaus of Greece,

First let me apologise that my diplomats made an error in the address of previous correspondance. Now to more important matters.

I have under extreme provocation, with great reluctance, ordered my generals to act on the basis of the fiction of a cease-fire out of respect for you, and of the fact that you did follow all the cease-fire terms. However, it is a fiction that such a cease-fire exists because Sparta/Japan as a whole (who are a single nation for purpose of war and peace) blatently did not follow the cease-fire, and thus according to the terms set out, the cease-fire did not exist.

Further, despite you public words to Japan, they continue to proclaim that they recognise no such cease-fire, and their continuing beligerant insulting words.

I fear I am going to go down in Roman history as the man who kept believing his enemies wanted peace, when in fact they were laughing and following a plan of one nation pretending peace while the other continued war. I am prepared to risk that, though, for the sake of peace. I pray that that is not true of you, Archelaus, and the Spartan people, but I fear it is true of Japan. I will look to you to make good on your threat to remove all your military support, from Japan, including all the tanks, infantry and machine guns(technology they do not possess) if they continue to undermine this peace.

I look to you to ensure that a true cease-fire exist next year. And in the meantime, I thank your for your detailed response to my peace proposals, a response will be forthcoming.

Marcus of Rome

[Pitboss Rome]

Yoshiro,

You continue to display that you are not worthy to rule a nation.

1. Yes I started to draft terms of a peace treaty. You disliked some of the terms. That is a reason to discuss not to abandon the cease-fire. The cease-fire is in place to allow us to talk. But you seem not to want to talk, simply to say you are following a cease-fire and then abandon it for a cheap victory. Sparta is at risk of suffering huge war because of your actions but you seem not to care.

2. Cut the garbage trying to pretend that you are some innocent victim here. This war was started when you tried to seize the whole of Russian Piercia. The tanks that rolled into Pierced Hill, destroying the Russian garrison were Japanese, but now you are the innocent victim when your own cities are threatened!

3. Cut the garbage about Rome demanding the destruction of Japan. We are trying to negotiate a peace here. Nobody has even talked about traditional Japanese territory. Negotiate. That means talking. Not invading cities.

Marcus

[Pitboss Japan]

Marcus,

It's you who should "cut the garbage"

-It was not a cheap victory.. It was us who got attacked in the Oldonian front in the first place, I did what I had to to protect Anasazi. Allowing them to continue drafting would had put us in hopeless position.

-We've never ever claimed to be an "innocent victim".. we have offered a lot for the peace what you are disregarding.. and demanding something what we can not yield. And we are honest about that. The lie would have been if we accept the cease fire suggesting that your offer is fitting for us.

-Forget these talks about "traditional Japan", "ancestral Japan" ..whatever..
since it seems you dont even know what you are talking about.


Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[Pitboss Russia]

From: Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin, Council of Transition and Stability
To: Yoshiro Nakamatsu the Voice of Sato
CC: Civilised Nations of the World

You are a foolish man. Russia has not broken the Cease-Fire and desires Peace but you clearly do not. You know that Russia knows what is contained within every Japanese City and therefore must equally well know that all, including Ancestral Japan, are of neither use nor ornament to Russia due to Geography alone. They would be utterly indefensible, not just from subsequent Greco-Japanese attack, but from others also. It is severely questionable as to whether they would even be worth Russia defending as they are largely islands and far distant. Even if Russia gained the entire 'third of Japan' you offer it is doubtful they could be anything but a drain on her economy. The only exceptions are the two illegally occupied Piercian Cities.

You also are a man wholly lacking in honour. You claim that you are prepared to cede Anasazi, which you well know is sufficient to end the War with Oldonia, and then use its' defence as justification for entering Oldonia and capturing their Cities! Where is your logic in this? There is nothing else there save for an old, truly Japanese, City which Oldonia has never even mentioned. You know also that Oldonia entered this War not as members of Pax Romana but as historic Allies of Russia! How can Russia continue to honour a Cease-Fire when you are attacking her Ally who entered this War due to Treaty obligations with Russia? I do not break Treaties and I keep my word, you have already shown that you care nothing for Treaties and have a lying tongue.

Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin
For, and on behalf of, The Russian Federation

[Pitboss Russia]

From: Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin, Council of Transition and Stability
To: Archelaus of Greece
CC: Civilised Nations of the World

Archelaus, you place Russia in a difficult position by your attitude. Indeed your actions place Pax Romana and Oldonia in a difficult situation by both your attitude towards Russia and your inability to control your appointed Governor of Japan. If you refuse to speak with Russia then there is technically a never ending War of Aggression against Russia. If you are saying that you will never sign a Peace Treaty with Russia, whatever the circumstances, then I have to call upon Russia's Allies to aid her. This is very short-sighted of you as it will cost you much. Russian Factories have more useful things to do than build Tanks but that is all they do now! Russia is a small, poor and scientifically backward nation but has struggled to improve the conditions for its' people nevertheless. Greek attack on Russia has caused a delay in that search for peaceful advancement as well as large scale damage to infrastructure and massive loss of life. Despite this Russia demanded nothing from Greece but still you will not even sit at a negotiating table with her. Folly Archelaus, pure dumb pride and folly.

Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin
For, and on behalf of, The Russian Federation

[Pitboss Japan]

You claim that you are prepared to cede Anasazi, which you well know is sufficient to end the War with Oldonia, and then use its' defence as justification for entering Oldonia and capturing their Cities! Where is your logic in this?

Mr. Blokhin,

The logic is simple: we are at war, we try to do our best to win it even if it seems hopeless. We may cede Anasazi as part of the true peace treaty, not as a separate one. And again I had not broken any treaty since the treaty would had started after we comply, but the terms for that were not given.

But here are news concerning to the Oldonian front:
After consulting with Sparta and my generals I have decided to completely withdraw our troops from Oldonia to Anasazi. This means I will not take an other city (i have 8 attacker units next to it supported by 4 airships-there are (max.) 3 defenders). Also i wont unload 3 more troops into the conquered coastal city but empting it completely. If my withdrawing troops get attacked they will turn back.

And we do desire peace, but your demands dont allow it. Illegaly occupied Piercia by us? It is you who has nothing to do here, the union of Japan and Piercia was rightfull and peacefull. It was you who first attacked us and took cities from us, claiming to free Piercia.. where is that Piercia that you freed? those cities become Russian cities thanks to your aggressive cultural pressing.
But I realise that words have no use.. our soldiers will die defending Japan achievements, like the Heroic epic and the Osaka Academy.

It was Rome who granted you half of the Piercian cities, it will be them again who give you the other half. I wonder what the Russian troops could do alone against us.. nothing I guess- and by "us" I mean Japan without the Spartan troops...


Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

To: Yoshiro Nakamatsu
From: Prime Minister Olaf Petterson

I do not deny that it was we-the Oldonians-who first crossed the frontier into Japanese territory. Historical records kept secret for generations revealed the duplicity of your forebears & the former King decided to take back Anasazi by force. Yet all the while as you *spoke* of a new peace with Oldonia, we could see quite clearly that you were bringing up more troops and placing them within our territory. Since then you have attacked *two* of our cities-two more than the number of Japanese cities attacked by Oldonia. That clearly makes *you* the aggressor, and Oldonia the victim.

Note that the people of Oldonia are alert to your tricks, and will not rest until all Japanese troops are removed from Oldonian soil. You have less than 12 hours to remove *all* your forces, or else face our wrath. The choice is yours.

[Pitboss Japan]

To: Prime Minister Olaf Petterson


You say: "That clearly makes *you* the aggressor, and Oldonia the victim"

So you declare a war, refuse peace (we only wanted peace, nothing from you) and when you have loses it makes us the aggressor? We are still offering peace, but you are still refusing it in a hope of a great reward..

"King decided to take back Anasazi by force"

Except it was never Oldonian. Japan forces captured it from barbarians. Whatever you say it was and is an ancient Japan city.

The Russians ask why dont I just give you Anasazi when I know I will lose it anyway, Why i continue fighting. The Answer is this: we have been defeated by Rome not by you or anybody else, we will make deal with them if we can and they can decide if they reward you.

But:

As I said I wont take the other viking city and leave Oldonia. I do it as a favor to Sparta and to give peace a chance even if I'm not sure that our enemies are understand us.


Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

To:Yoshiro Nakamatsu


The Oldonian's *never* refused peace-the peace was not forthcoming through official diplomatic channels. All we saw were more troops moving through Anasazi, heading into Oldonian territory-hardly a "gesture of peace". As to the status of the city of Anasazi, it must have been an easy city to capture *after* our knights cleared it of all resistance, or perhaps you simply thought the barbarians left it empty just for you. I am still open for peace, but only if you hand over Anasazi and the Oldonian city you captured. You now have approximately 6 hours to comply, and our patience is wearing thin.

From: Olaf Petterson

[Pitboss Japan]

What are you suggesting with these "6 hours" dead line? That if i cannot make a move untill it expires then I'd better continue my invasion? or what?
My troops will leave Oldonia when they can. (able to move).
Till the moment you attacked us we asked you to reconsider, so dont tell us that you never refused peace..


"...thought the barbarians left it empty just for you"

It was not empty.. (ooc , at least it's unlikely ), but it was poorly defended.. We thought it's soldiers most likely looting somewhere so we took the opportunity. You might be right that you should have been compensated for your contributions, but It was Japan who conquered the city.
But most importantly: It is an ancient Japan city for a thousand of years, Its citizens are japanese, what gives you the right and authority to seize this city and its people?


Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[Pitboss Greece]

Olof Petterson,

a question to you, you told the Japanese people the following:

Since then you have attacked *two* of our cities-two more than the number of Japanese cities attacked by Oldonia. That clearly makes *you* the aggressor, and Oldonia the victim.

Using this form of logic, can I assume that you also condemn the Roman invasion of Korea?

Thanks for your answer,

Archelaus II of Greece

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Believe me, the blood of hundreds of Oldonian Knights tells me that Anasazi was *very* heavily defended by longbowmen. You're right about compensation-though-we want the city our young men fought and died for. It is hardly an ancient Japanese City, given it was Barbarian-held until around 500-600 years ago. As for waiting for us to reconsider peace-we sent a single expeditionary force into your territory, which you defeated, and then you proceeded to move your riflemen into my territory en-masse. That is hardly a sign of peaceful intent. Nor is your "secret construction" of elite cavalry within Anasazi. I am also aware that your Galleon full of riflemen was also in transit to Oldonia throughout that entire period. You never sent any official requests for peace, so your actions made us assume that your words and actions were at odds-and that you intended to pursue your invasion of Oldonia. This belief has been borne out by your subsequent actions, and they shall be repaid with Japanese blood. Unless you remove *all* your troops from Oldonian soil by the New Year, then we will not hesitate to crush all Japanese forces within our borders.

Olaf Peterson.

[The_Aussie_Lurker]

Archelaus, I fear I'm not privy to all the facts behind the war between Rome & Korea. If Rome sent peace feelers to Korea whilst simultaneously sending troops across the border to invade, then I would consider this highly duplicitous. However, I feel it difficult to believe the claims of the Koreans. Like their Japanese brethren, I suspect them guilty of some kind of perfidy.

[Pitboss Japan]

we sent a single expeditionary force into your territory, which you defeated, and then you proceeded to move your riflemen into my territory en-masse. That is hardly a sign of peaceful intent..

Greece is right.. Damn you Rome.. we sent a small expeditionary force and now you are invading us.. damn you.

I am also aware that your Galleon full of riflemen was also in transit to Oldonia throughout that entire period. You never sent any official requests for peace.

You declared war on us publicly, I asked you to reconsider it publicly. You rejected it publicly. We had built the galleons after you declared war on us.. so what are you saying? Are you blaming our troops not commiting harakiri when saw yours but fought back?

I have nothing more so say in the subject. What I said before your "ultimatum" still stands. Our troops will leave Oldonia.

Nakamatsu.

[Pitboss Rome]

Friends and enemies alike,

Please. We are descending back into war. Millions will die.

The Roman approach is a simple one. We have a cease-fire and then we argue and negotiate about peace. Yes at the point of the cease-fire there are always opportunities - I could take Samos at any moment capturing the remaining Spartan oil wells. The Spartans claim that they could take a Roman city. But peace will only come if we all pause - leave those tantalising opportunities hanging in front of our eyes. And yes we all fear that our enemies will gain one over us during a cease-fire. They fear the same about you too. But without taking risks, all will die.

Agreeing to a cease-fire does not mean agreeing to any set of peace-proposals which happen to be on the table at the time. Already over the hours I have seen great movement in the position of different nations. But at the same time, people are getting more angry with each other because of continuing military action.

Let us all adopt a cease-fire. Now. No excuses. And let us sort this by talking. And at the end, if a nations feels they would prefer war, they can always go back to that.

Marcus.

[Pitboss Japan]

My forces are left or on their way leaving Oldonia.

Very important issue:
The barbarian Natives are keep murdering civilians, pillaging villages for the third turn by now. They have never replied to the cease fire offer, I have to assume they have no intention to stop their rampage. Next turn I will give orders to kill those murderers unless I see an apology and a promise that they stop the pillage.




I'm eager to hear Rome's peace proposal


Yoshiro Nakamatsu.

[Pitboss Greece]

Marcus of Rome,

If the Wyandots continue to ignore the cease fire the Greek/Japanese alliance will lift our cease fire with the Wyndots from our side as well.

I salute the Yoshiro Nakamatsu for restraining himself while under siege by the treacherous Wyandots.

Archelaus

[Pitboss Russia]

From: Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin, Council of Transition and Stability
To: Yoshiro Nakamatsu the Voice of Sato
CC: Civilised Nations of the World

Enough talk Yoshiro! Russia commences moving Armour West Next Round and will undertake hostile actions in conjunction with Wyandot against illegally stolen lands taken from them unless you come to terms forthwith.

Russia has stood by the Cease-Fire but you have failed to even try. You offer sweet words but they are hollow and deceitful. Your master cannot control you so others must teach you discipline. Behave, as a good dog should, and no further life need be lost but if not Cities that you have promised as payment for your ill deeds will already have been secured and another six will need to be offered.

Chairman Vasili Mikhailovich Blokhin
For, and on behalf of, The Russian Federation

[Pitboss Japan]

Russia has stood by the Cease-Fire but you have failed to even try.

I have no idea what are you talking about except that it seems you dont want peace after all.

You say you had followed the cease fire? you said that for even last turn still moved a transport next to Alcetas, but I didnt say anything.

But in this "turn" Japan ceased to do any aggressive move. My movement of military was retreat.

Since the Wyandots have not answered here but continue to kill civilians I have to assume they have no intention keeping the cease fire and continue the pillage. As i said I did not attacked them in this turn, but I will do in the next unless they write here that they accept cease fire and withdraw from my territory. I'm dissapointed btw that none of you disapprove of what they are doing. Pillaging cottages is in fact a war crime.

The Oldonians took a city from me in this turn of supposed cease fire, but alright I didnt want to keep it anyway. I choosed not to take an other city I could, but leaving with my troops.

I see your insults are the same.. calling us slaves and dogs was one of the reason of this war as we can not tolerate them indefinitely. Now you are very brave with Rome in your back. If you want to come, come.. but alone.

Yoshiro Nakamatsu

[Pitboss Celts]

To: Celts, Holy Romans, Khmer, Funglish, Americans, Spanish
CC: The World
From: Lars Ulrich, Metalhead Foreign Minister
Re: Meduian Homeland Defensive Alliance

The world is a dangerous place. It was just a short time ago that the Romans and Portuguese placed military on our continent and threatened us with war. The Portuguese navy patrols our shores and continues to threaten the Khmer. Rome continues to spread propaganda and lies against us. The Spartans and Japanese have proven to have no fear in starting massive wars against their neighbors. This world is a dangerous place and our security depends on cooperation.

Therefore, his lord majesty, prince of darkness, Ozzy the Bateater is proposing a Homeland Defense Pact. Different from a defensive pact, and different from an alliance, the terms are enclosed:

1. All nations of the continent of Meduian are called upon to defend all Meduian pact members from foreign invasion on Meduian soil.
2. This applies to wars begun by a Meduian member or a foreign power.
3. This applies to wars currently ongoing or wars yet to begin.
4. This pact does not apply to colonies, territories and possessions off the Meduian continent.
5. All nations are expected to provide a reasonable contribution to the continent's defense by boosting their military budget and sharing information.

Signed,

Lars Ulrich
Foreign Minister
Metalheads

After much deliberation from all leaders in the Celtic nation, the Celts have agreed to this Homeland Defense pact. All leaders on the Meduian continent have worked hard to keep peace on these shores from oversea threats. We have also been very close knit sharing resources and products for the benefit of all.

[Pitboss Rome]

Archelaus of Sparta,

My generals have reported the deployment of Greek jet-fighters to the front line. This is deployment of troops is a breach of the cease-fire arrangemnet. However I assume that these jets were gifted to you by another nation (since you do not have the technology to build them) and thus they were moved by that other nation. We could argue long about this. However, trusting your recent communications indicating that we are very close to making a conclusive peace deal, I have instructed my generals to ignore this fact. A confidence building measure, should we say.

Nevertheless it further points out how fragile this cease-fire is.

Marcus

[Pitboss Japan]

From: Yoshiro Nakamatsu
To: Terra

I'm glad to report that only three of my four enemies violated the cease fire last turn, most of these violations were negligible. For example a single bombing on my infantry by a russian airship when they must have known that my unit heals more than the damage they can cause.. must have been just a provocation..
A viking fregatte is still scouting my shores dangerously close to my fishing boats.. I chosed not to sink it.

But...
The Wyandots made a serious violation: they brought even more units into my territory and continued pillaging my cottages. I clearly see they dont want peace and I don't need this kind of peace with them either. I suggest Rome should not include them into our peace treaty.

We have received Rome's new peace proposal and Japan found it very reasonable. We need some discussion with Sparta about the matter, but most likely we can sign it very soon.

[Pitboss Natives]

Our apologies to the Japanese.

Due to a mislaid missive (about a possible cease-fire being discussed), Wyandot forces were following their last received orders of continuing a pillage campaign around the city of Kakashi (given the current garrison within Kakashi).

All remaining Wyandot forces have now been ordered back into Wyandot lands in order to give this peace deal a chance to take effect.

Chief Tarhe of the Wyandot Nation

[Pitboss Rome]

Archelaus,

Time is up. Every other nation has signed up to the peace deal. You have had 24 hours and have said nothing. Am I to conclude that all your promises and words up to now have been a sham, and that as with the Koreans many years ago, this whole process has been a fraud? Surely not. I understand the need to think, and respect that, but now we need to act. If this war recommences, it will then not cease with this kind of peace treaty, but with the occupation of ancient cities, and much destruction - on all sides.

Speak my friend, many nations are waiting.

Marcus

[Pitboss Rome]

Final Ultimatum for Peace

Archelaus,

We are all still awaiting your response.

Three times you have come back on the peace proposals and each time I have compromised, and given more to Sparta.

We are now at an end.

If the peace is not concluded within 5 hours from this message, the cease-fire will fall.

I still very much hope that this will not be the case. We have a good deal on the table. But the other nations involved can no longer wait. We all know that these last days you have been very active diplomatically with countries other than those involve in this war, but for your own reasons not concluding this issue. Kindly do so now.

5 hours left to establish peace; the world is watching.

Marcus

[OzzyKP]

(OOC - he might not even be online in the next 5 hours, I'd advise you to be a bit flexible)

[Pitboss Rome]

(No he is, and has been doing lots of diplomacy behind the scenes, even PM's to me asking for changes in the terms. This isn't an occ issue, but Archelaus scheming. And in any case, I would quite like the war to continue )