What website is that you're quoting? I've not seen it cited before.
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Why should I bother -- it's clearly all you read and you're probably second only to LOTM on being out of touch with the gaming world realities. Coincidentally, he's also a fan of gamasutra."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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It's not my fault that gama posts some great articles
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Talking about 'Indies', something close to my heart. As a concept i'm all in favour, even when it morphs into the 'casual'(card-game/hidden game/bubble pop rip off game) and enters the murky world of the console - people need to make money where they can i suppose
Why? well variety, diversity - like a good eco-system you need those key elements to avoid disaster. I find that very applicable to the world of gaming. So yeah i'm a big fan of 'indie' gaming......whatever that actualy means these days. Oh and the PC(Mac) is a great platform for it, the only free fully creative platform
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If you cared about indie gaming, you'd have a 360 and be playing the XNA/Arcade games. That's where the bulk of the indy gaming is these days.
If you understood the concept of "good eco-system", you'd see why they've moved to consoles. I can't remember the last time there was a genuinely good creative indy game on the PC, but there's been many on XBLA/XNA."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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I'm fairly sure you know you are massively exaggerating there, Asher. There are plenty of good examples of good, creative games on PCs. World of Goo, for one example just off the top of my head...
I'm not sure I'd be willing to agree that "the bulk" of indie gaming occurs on XBLA yet (the count is simply not there, in part due to longevity), though it's certainly possible that more high quality new games are being created there than on the PC at the present point... but it's so hard to get those actual numbers (particularly because "good games" or "high quality" are highly subjective). You undermine your own argument by entirely blowing off PC indie games, which certainly still exist, and you simply demonstrate that you're either intentionally misrepresenting the facts, or your knowledge of them is inferior, by suggesting otherwise.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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Originally posted by snoopy369 View PostI'm fairly sure you know you are massively exaggerating there, Asher. There are plenty of good examples of good, creative games on PCs. World of Goo, for one example just off the top of my head...
I'm not sure I'd be willing to agree that "the bulk" of indie gaming occurs on XBLA yet (the count is simply not there, in part due to longevity), though it's certainly possible that more high quality new games are being created there than on the PC at the present point... but it's so hard to get those actual numbers (particularly because "good games" or "high quality" are highly subjective).
You undermine your own argument by entirely blowing off PC indie games, which certainly still exist, and you simply demonstrate that you're either intentionally misrepresenting the facts, or your knowledge of them is inferior, by suggesting otherwise."The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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I've come across a few award worthy PC indie games today
Dyson(free full version) - you just need to click the 'updated to version 1.01' link i think, slightly confusing
Osmos(Demo of a few levels available) - kinda like the early stage of spore, nicely done:
Blue Lacuna - gamasutra article with links to the game. It's a free full download interactive novel:
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Of those i've only had a blast at the last one, Blue Lacuna; and well it was interesting enough for me to pencil it in for some proper playtime this weekend - there might be something for everyone here
The other two games just came recomended and look interesting.
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World of Goo was an indie PC game hit. The Wii release was irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned, even if it sold ten million copies. You asked for one, and I provided it... no, I don't know any others, because I don't really play indie games. You said none, and I provided the lone needed counterexample Note that it was a HUGE hit, not just a small one; it hit #10 on the NPD retail sales list the week after it was released at retail - well AFTER it was available (for months) as a download.
In any event, I don't necessarily disagree with the basic point you're making... I'm just saying that you do yourself more harm than good when you exaggerate to the point that you have.<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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Originally posted by snoopy369 View PostWorld of Goo was an indie PC game hit. The Wii release was irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned, even if it sold ten million copies. You asked for one, and I provided it... no, I don't know any others, because I don't really play indie games. You said none, and I provided the lone needed counterexample Note that it was a HUGE hit, not just a small one; it hit #10 on the NPD retail sales list the week after it was released at retail - well AFTER it was available (for months) as a download.
In any event, I don't necessarily disagree with the basic point you're making... I'm just saying that you do yourself more harm than good when you exaggerate to the point that you have.
What I very clearly said was:
I can't remember the last time there was a genuinely good creative indy game on the PC
That is NOT the same thing as saying "there are none". This is NOT an exaggeration, it's a statement very clearly specific to my memory and that was made very clearly in the wording. The fact that the one title you could mention was more successful as a console release doesn't prove your point, either.
Are you all working together to fail at basic reading comprehension here to piss me off, is it a massive coincidence?"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
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As I said, you either lied/exaggerated, or don't know anything about PC gaming. I leave it to you to tell me which.
Not knowing of a MAJOR hit in indie gaming that became a hit in the last few months, and WAS ON THE NPD CHARTS, not to mention having a thread in this very forum, implies one or the other...<Reverend> IRC is just multiplayer notepad.
I like your SNOOPY POSTER! - While you Wait quote.
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