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    Commuter train collides with freight train in LA

    Zkrib, hope everyone you know are ok.

    Commuter train collides with freight train in LA
    5 minutes ago

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080912/...rain_collision;_ylt=AoDZw9WqHQ_u63dYMFm8fCZvzwcF


    LOS ANGELES - A Metrolink commuter train collided with a freight train Friday, toppling one of the passenger cars onto its side.

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    Firefighters battled a fire under part of the wreckage and pulled people from the Metrolink car, which was partly torn open.

    "I'm sure there are injuries. I'm sure there are a lot of injuries," said Ron Haralson, an inspector with the Los Angles County Fire Department.

    He said the trains collided at 4:32 p.m. in the Chatsworth area of the San Fernando Valley.
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    I'm okay. I don't take the Metrolink. I take a light rail line.

    But the judge of my buddies takes this train. I don't think he's at work today because his wife died in her sleep two days ago.

    Man, this is awful.

    Edit: Just checked with my buddy. As I had thought, his judge did not come in today.

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    • #3
      It's a disgrace that these things are considered acceptable for Amtrak (which probably operates the commuter line).
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      • #4
        Amtrack also uses that line, but the train belongs to a regional entity called "Metrolink." It operates trains from Ventura down to San Diego.

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        • #5
          But metrolink is probably operated by Amtrak. That's the way the commuter lines work here in DC.

          Bottom line. If people die, dozens should be fired for negligence. Does anybody die in Japan? Fvck no. And their trains run all the time and carry millions.
          I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DanS
            But metrolink is probably operated by Amtrak. That's the way the commuter lines work here in DC.

            Bottom line. If people die, dozens should be fired for negligence. Does anybody die in Japan? Fvck no. And their trains run all the time and carry millions.
            I tried to research this online, but Metrolink's homepage merely states emergency information is about to be posted.

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            • #7
              That's tough for your pal.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by DanS
                But metrolink is probably operated by Amtrak. That's the way the commuter lines work here in DC.
                1. D.C. isn't the rest of the country.

                2. Less people die in train crashes than auto crashes.

                3. If the GOP didn't oppose regulations, like they have in Japan, this very likely wouldn't have happened.
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                • #9
                  It doesn't have **** to do with regulations. Amtrak and the railroad industry are among the most heavily regulated in our economy. Adam Smith could wax eloquent about this.

                  But they're still fvcked up. When will people grasp that responsibility is the primary function? Regulation is just a way for left-leaners like you to feel good that they've done something to help the situation. Good management is all that matters.
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                  • #10
                    Given how little our economy is regulated, that's not much of a standard to hold it to.
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                    • #11
                      The reason you don't have crashes like this in Japan and Europe is because most of their passenger lines are fully dedicated to that purpose, not shared with freight trains.
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                      • #12
                        Uh, plenty of railways are shared here in Belgium and I'm quite sure that's also the case in the Netherlands at least. There simply isn't the space for dedicated tracks.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kontiki
                          The reason you don't have crashes like this in Japan and Europe is because most of their passenger lines are fully dedicated to that purpose, not shared with freight trains.
                          Ever here of the Amagasaki rail crash

                          Excessive speed appears to have been the most direct cause. According to the Aircraft and Railway Accidents Investigation Commission, the train entered a sharp curve at a speed of 108 kph, far exceeding the set limit of 70 kph, and derailed, causing the carriages to crash into an apartment block. Track marks suggest that the driver applied the emergency breaks just before the curve. The commission has not yet concluded why the train entered the curve at this excessive speed.

                          However, a widely circulated presumption is that the driver, 23 years old with 11 months’ experience on the job, was trying to recover a 90-second delay following a 40-metre overrun at the previous station.

                          As for indirect causes, the failure of the company to instal the new Automatic Train Stop (ATS) system and guard rails in time is the most cited by many train experts. Most urban commuter trains in Japan now operate with ATS, which automatically decelerates the train if it exceeds the speed limit. Some busy lines are equipped with the even more advanced Automatic Train Control (ATC) system.

                          JR West had recognised the need for ATS on this line and at the time of the accident was planning to install the system. During rush hours, trains operate every four to five minutes. The number of trains on the line, as well as their speed, have increased since privatisation. This increase was made in order to compete with another private railway line running nearly parallel to the JR West line. Having failed to make necessary safety investments prior to such an increase, the company cannot expect to avoid being blamed for putting profit before safety.
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                          • #14
                            Japanese railways were privatised in 1987... 1 serious accident every 2 decades isn't exactly a bad track record.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Colonâ„¢
                              Japanese railways were privatised in 1987... 1 serious accident every 2 decades isn't exactly a bad track record.
                              Do you contest the claim that the accident was caused by privatisation?
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