Two new players needed for: "Beyond the Pit" - a diplomacy pitboss game

Robert Plomp · August 30, 2008, 18:22

For our 2 months running Pitboss Game (200 BC) "Beyond the Pit" do we need TWO 'subs' (new players).

A diplomacy game is a game where all players try to play their civ in a 'realistic' way. That means that all their in-game actions have reaonable reasons (which can always be made up of course) and post stories about it.

We play 1 turn per 19 hours.
There are 18 civs participating.

If you're interested we'll give you more detailed info about our game.

We need a sub for:
- Russia (maybe only temporarily)
- Japan

The winner is based on game score (25%) story telling (25%) diplomacy (25%) and military strategy (25%).
The last 3 categories are decided by vote. (monthly vote).

Russia is doing quite good in the score-list, Japan is last. Japan had an island start.

If you're interested, please post here or contact me by PM.

CyberShy

Pitboss Maya · August 30, 2008, 19:37

Maybe post this in some other forums for more exposure?

Toni · August 30, 2008, 21:30

Yes good idea try Civfanatics CS.

deity · August 30, 2008, 22:51

My goodness!

Cyber has 19 babies to look after...

Heraclitus · August 31, 2008, 11:59

Originally posted by Toni
Yes good idea try Civfanatics CS.

+1

Robert Plomp · August 31, 2008, 15:17

Originally posted by Toni
Yes good idea try Civfanatics CS.

I thought you already posted there....?

@deity, it's 20 babies and 1 babe

Black Knight 427 · August 31, 2008, 19:50

Are you still looking for someone?

Pitboss Korea · August 31, 2008, 21:38

No offense to Danny or anything, but I find it odd that he just signed up (September 2008) and we JUST had a DL issue with another person. Just putting that out there. Especially considering its actually August 31st today, which must mean he registered today.

Pitboss Vikings · August 31, 2008, 23:47

only aug 31 where you are capo... Sept ember everywhere elsel

and if he came from elsewhere not POLY then understandable why he is new to here.

Robert Plomp · September 1, 2008, 02:30

Hi Danny.P.O.

We are indeed currently looking for new players.
Right now we check if you're not a double login account from a past trouble maker, no worries, that's just to make sure that you're not that person about whom Pitboss Korea talks

About our game:

- Be aware that this is a diplogame
Roughly that means:

* create a story for your civ

* one of the goals of the game is that everyone enjoys the game till the end: nobody will be destroyed or lose that many cities that there's no fun in the game for him anymore

* Backup your actions with stories. Act like your civ is a 'real' civ, thus you must create a background for a war, an alliance.

* We communicate through 'anonymous' mail accounts and apolyton accounts. I'll send you the details as soon as you've signed up.

* Play your turns, if you can't play a few turns, try to find a sub (ie. one of the other players, an allie, or someone from the other continent)

* We vote once per month for 3 categories: Story telling, Diplomacy and Military Strategy.
You can cast 3 votes per category. (best, 2nd best and 3rd best). In total thus 9 votes, ie:

diplomacy:
1. Zulu
2. Canada
3. Belgium

Diplomacy
1. Mexico
2. Austsria
3. Uganda

Military Strategy
1. Georgia
2. Antartica
3. Iraq

It's up to you for whom you want to vote, don't let any "in game" reasons lead you. (ie. an allie) nor game mechanics (ie. he's leading, so let's not vote for him)

Story telling is about story telling.
Diplomacy is: who has achieved his goals best through diplomacy
Military Strategy: who has achieved his goals best through military means (which can also include military pressure without actually engaging in a war)

We send votes to: vote@diplo.plomp.eu from the 1th of the month on, 2 weeks long.
Civs that didn't vote before September 15th can't receive any votes for that month.

There are detailed explanations about how this voting works.

There are 2 important rules:
- If you're in a war, don't move twice without your enemy moving in between or the new turn having passed for 33%.

(ie. Not allowed: you move last, end your turn, the new turn starts, you move again so that you effectively moved twice while your enemy did not move at all.

allowed: you move, end turn, wait till 33% of the turn is over (about 6,5 hours) and then you move again.

Also allowed: you move, end turn, your enemy moves, you move.

2nd important rule: you're not allowed to trade away more then 15 techs throughout the entire game!
You have to report all tech trades in the tech-trade thread Like this: My civ has traded away 1 tech.
You don't have to mention the civ you traded with or the techs you traded.

You can also trade the right to trade techs.
Ie: you can still trade away 9 techs, Player B can trade away 3 techs, then you can give 1 'voucher' to civ B. After that trade you can trade away 8 techs, Player B can trade away 4 techs.

If you have any questions: post them here.
Ignore the argumentating, it's only about 3 or 4 of us who are debating everything all the time
I'm sure it'll settle soon.

I'm not sure if Russia will/can come back, you have to figure it out with him. If he wants his civ back then you'll be the first to get a civ of your own as soon as one comes free.

Thanks a lot and most welcome!

CyberShy

Pitboss Korea · September 1, 2008, 02:47

Originally posted by Pitboss Vikings
only aug 31 where you are capo... Sept ember everywhere elsel

and if he came from elsewhere not POLY then understandable why he is new to here.

When I wrote that it was still August 31st in the United States because I am in Eastern time and he has a US flag under his name. I am simply advising that we don't just invite anyody in especially someone who signs up for Apolyton and happens to sign up for a diplogame in the exact same day.

Pitboss Vikings · September 1, 2008, 03:02

we do if they came from outside of poly apparently.

I happy for the Game to wait for russians to return and for the Japanese to go AI though rather than accept someone who we unsure of.

With so much trouble in such a short time. any unusual activity by new people most be taken into account. We dont want friends of you know who taking over a civ and ruining it for everyone else.

Hopefully this new person knows what DIPLO is, is not in any contact with previous Civ leader and the game will go well for next 24 mths

Robert Plomp · September 1, 2008, 12:12

There are no reasons to believe that Danny.P.O is a double login.
Therefor you're very welcome to participate in this game, Danny!

Please let us know.

Pitboss Korea · September 1, 2008, 12:42

Well, I don't know Cybershy, there are ways to make it look like it isn't a double log-in and I find it extremely odd that he happened to sign up for such an obscure genre like a Diplogame here at Apolyton when, let's face it, its easier to find random games in the internet lobby through Civ IV and there are more people using Civ Fanatics in general. Why here? Why now? I'm sorry if I am being suspicious but this game has gone through enough nonesense.

Pinchak · September 1, 2008, 14:09

Why here? Why now?

Ahhh, I think Capo hit it on the head.

It's one of those things where you must ask yourself which is more probable...

That a new Apoly member came directly to this thread as soon as he registered and wants to play in this game... or...

That BlackDragon has found another computer and wants back in for purposes of revenge/deception.

Personally, given Japans status in the game (lack of tech, lack of army) I really wouldn't even care if he came back. First off, I would be able to tell it was him eventually. Secondly, he wouldn't have the power base or skill to ever become a real threat.

I say let Danny play, whoever he may be.

MMC · September 1, 2008, 15:32

Of course, the whole point is moot if Danny has been scared off by all this scrutiny.

Pitboss Korea · September 1, 2008, 16:08

Here's what I say to that MMC; if I were a new guy trying to get a game going, and trying to meet people to play with you've got a group of 17 guys here off the break. Secondly, and especially considering the anonymous nature of the internet to begin with, why would I simply shrink away from a game just because they are accusing me of being someone else? Wouldn't it be more likely that this Danny person would deny these allegations and write them off as stupid speculation? If I were in his shoes that would be my reaction to all of this.

Now, if you are a person who has already tried to pull this BS off, and got caught because of a double log-in, would you not try again with a different PC/IP address? And when you did try and were quickly accused of the same thing wouldn't you simply disappear and chalk it up as a loss?

Besides all of that, we are looking for dedicated players. If this happens to you and you quickly decide against it perhaps it was for the best that we didn't get him to play.

In a game like this, a long game that is GOING to have more contraversy we are better off getting someone who really wants to play. On top of that somebody who at least has a rudementary understanding of what a diplogame is. So if he hasn't even been back since then, and hasn't defended himself why should we think him anything other than an (a) undedicated player, or (b) BlackDragon?

Robert Plomp · September 1, 2008, 17:48

Well, then we'd better close this thread, if we won't trust people who assign anyway.

But fortunately the truth is different.
People read the apolyton forums, they read the MP forums, then suddenly there is a thread that asks for new players for a game you're interested in.
Finally you have a reason to register at Apolyton, and reply to the thread.

And like MMC says, even if it is Dragon, I wouldn't bother. He wrote good stories and was an enthousiastic player. I don't see what he could destroy anyway.

I'm afraid you scared him away Capo :P
Anyway, tomorrow, when I have the power to organise again, then I'm going to replace all these posts that are surely going to scare away potential new players

Pitboss Korea · September 1, 2008, 18:28

I'm not saying not to trust anyone, you are putting words in my mouth. I'm saying a guy signs up for Apolyton, then signs up to play in a Diplogame. Unless you are already a member of Apolyton I doubt you know what a Diplogame is. They don't play Diplogames over at CF, and if they do maybe I should check it out because they probably have more sense than some of you people.

That was totally him.

Black Knight 427 · September 1, 2008, 19:34

I'm sorry I have not responded quickly. My job keeps me very busy and it is hard to find the time to get online. If you have something open, I'll take it just PM me the info I need. Thank you for allowing me to join your group.

Pitboss Korea · September 1, 2008, 19:39

You know Danny, if you are busy it may be hard for you to play. You have be play at least once a day because the timer is at 19 hours, and if you suspect you are going to miss sessions you should get a sub, and if you know ahead of time this makes it easier.

I'm not sure I trust you, I'll say that right now, but I'm an ******* and not many of these guys like me anyway so I don't mind if you don't either. You had better not be BlackDragon though.

Pitboss Vikings · September 1, 2008, 19:43

One turn per day, plus handling the DIPLO side of things, with PMS Emails and storys to read and post, and to be involved in the discussion threads.

It will be a 2 yr committment Danny so make sure you undertand the committment first.

But welcome to the game....

Which civ he getting ?

Black Knight 427 · September 1, 2008, 19:49

I can play in the mornings so a 19hr timer is ok with me. And it is ok if you don't trust me because I don't trust anyone. In my line of work trust is earned not given. So I understand where you are coming from.

MMC · September 1, 2008, 20:03

Hehe... I like this guy...

It would appear that Russia is around, just having troubles playing, whereas Japan needs a player who isn't me. If you have a particular preference, PM myself or Cyber, and we'll try to keep your selection quiet from everyone else.

Also, do you understand the respondsibilties you'll have to post in the Story thread explaining your actions? You may post as much or as little as you like, but 1 post a month is a recommened minimum.

Pitboss Korea · September 1, 2008, 20:32

Actually, I HIGHLY suggest you check out the Diplogame FAQ and Reference Manual, which is topped in the Multiplaying forum. You should also check out the archives of some of the old games to get a sense of what you are supposed to do.

PS; You better not be BlackDragon.