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  • #46
    Originally posted by Patroklos


    So you are agreeing then that the Soviets were far, far, FAR more heavy handed with their vassals than the US?

    Its okay Kid, you can say it.
    I don't advocate such a system as the USSR. I think you advocate a system more like it than I do. That's why you dream of police states.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by Heraclitus



      And destroying a democracy and bringing fascists to power is better how?

      Because at least the Fascists didn't want to nationalize the holdings of the US Copper Co!
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      • #48
        Maybe the cold war is starting up again...

        Russia ready to sell Syria arms

        Syria was a close ally of the Soviet Union during the Cold War
        Moscow is ready to sell new weapons to Syria, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov has said.

        Mr Lavrov said any sales of weapons of "a defensive character" would not change the strategic balance in the Middle East, without elaborating.

        His comments came as the Syrian and Russian leaders held talks in Russia.

        Before the talks in Sochi, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad had spoken on the need to speed up military and technical co-operation with Russia.

        The two countries are preparing deals on anti-aircraft and anti-tank missile systems, reports say.

        Israel and the US have been critical of Russian arms sales to Syria.

        Syria was a close ally of the Soviet Union during the Cold War.

        Support over Georgia

        Relations between Moscow and Damascus have been getting closer recently - this visit is Mr Assad's third to Russia in three years.

        Mr Assad said on Thursday Russia's military campaign in Georgia was justified.

        "I want to voice support for Russia over the situation around Abkhazia and South Ossetia... We understand the essence of the Russian position and consider its military reaction a response to provocation by the Georgian side," Mr Assad said according to the Russian news agency Itar-Tass.

        Russia has been strongly criticised by the West for its military operations in Georgia launched earlier this month


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        • #49
          Yup, they're getting their ducks in a row. Still they lack some gooduns from the old days like Poland, Czech and Slovakia, Bulgaria, Rumania, Hungary and the Baltic States. Its really wonderful that the Soviet Union fell. Now the Russians can arm Syria all they want, they're still second rate.

          However if they ship tac nukes to Cuba that would likely be the end of the world this time around.
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          • #50
            China won't get involved either. They're too busy making money to care much about international politics.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Zkribbler
              China won't get involved either. They're too busy making money to care much about international politics.
              I really wonder where China-US relations would be if there wasn't the Taiwan "question".
              "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Zkribbler
                China won't get involved either. They're too busy making money to care much about international politics.
                China has big plans. So does Japan, btw.
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                • #53
                  My my...how little times have changed. Only the country Russia is invading is different.....
                  "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                  • #54
                    russian aggression
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Heraclitus View Post
                      i hate it when i agree with bill maher. we should vote people into office so that i don't have to do that anymore.
                      I wasn't born with enough middle fingers.
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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by PLATO View Post
                        I really wonder where China-US relations would be if there wasn't the Taiwan "question".
                        People would be saying: "I really wonder where China-US relations would be if there wasn't the Senkakku 'question.'"
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by self biased View Post
                          i hate it when i agree with bill maher. we should vote people into office so that i don't have to do that anymore.

                          80% voter turnout and their healthcare system is going broke.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Dinner View Post
                            Very sizablely actually. Sure, the US treated Latin America like little children and sometimes interfered in their affairs (in some periods even a lot) but there simply wasn't the total domination we saw in Eastern Europe.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Felch View Post
                              I don't think you understand the US's relationship with Latin America. We're dominant, and highly influential, but we tend to use overwhelming force sparingly. Look at how we've allowed Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Bolivia and Ecuador to be leftist without crushing them and overthrowing the regimes. No power on Earth would stop us from doing what we want in our own backyard, but we are restrained by our own sense of enlightened self-interest.
                              Like you have never tried or still not trying.
                              If you wish something that doesn't mean you actually can do that.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by ramseya View Post
                                Democratic reforms in Czechoslovakia... The USSR sent 200K troops and 2000 tanks. (Nor was this an isolated incident as there was also the Hungarian Revolution of 1956)

                                Communist revolution in Cuba... USA sends two CIA agents and a thousand exiles.

                                yeah US is an evil empire
                                Sure it is. How the Bay of Pigs is different? With the exception you have failed. However you didn't fail to owerthrow the democraticaly elected socialist government of Chilie and sucseeded in Grenada and Panama.

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