The other day I went up to the counter at my library and asked the lady, "are you the Great Librarian?
So games do influence us at some basic level.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/04...gamer_stabbed/Grand Theft Auto 4 queue man stabbed in head
A hooded male stabbed another man in the head and neck yesterday as they both queued to buy copies of Grand Theft Auto IV from a Croydon Gamestation store.
Onlookers witnessed the Nikko-style stabbing, which some bystanders have said they initially thought was a stunt pulled to whip-up yet more excitement for the eagerly anticipated title.
Unfortunately, the stabbing was anything but virtual. Police have yet to confirm the motive for the assault, but its thought that the two men were just rude to one another.
The victim managed to survive the ordeal - and stumbled home to grab a knife for a revenge attack. However, he collapsed in the street on his way back to the store.
One witness to the attack told The Times newspaper that the victim had been stabbed repeatedly and that there was blood everywhere.
But that's not the only incident of GTA IV-style real-word violence yesterday. Separately, an 18-year-old suffered a broken jaw after being mugged for his copy of the game, bought from Blockbuster Video just minutes earlier.
Some anti-GTA IV campaigners have already jumped on both incidents as proof that such games are too violent for society. Keith Vaz, a prominent British Labour MP, said that news of both incidents didn't surprise him.
Despite the attacks, the game appears to be flying off the shelves. Play.com claims to be taking around 80 orders for the game each minute, while Woolworths has reportedly sold 200 copies each minute over the last 24 hours.
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The other day I went up to the counter at my library and asked the lady, "are you the Great Librarian?
So games do influence us at some basic level.
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People who wait in queue for computer games![]()
Banana

The fully grown children are excited about this one.![]()
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

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I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

same as waiting in queue for a movie or concertOriginally posted by BeBro
People who wait in queue for computer games![]()

Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
GTAIV![]()
As a Hillary supporter you have already demonstrated your complete lack of taste.![]()
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

Um, no.Originally posted by a.kitman
same as waiting in queue for a movie or concert
The movie or concert has a set start time. If it starts at 9:00pm then 9:15pm is no good to you.
Video games can be played whenever you install and feel like playing.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

I went at 4pm to a downtown Toronto EB and they still had hundreds of copies...
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

How many people bought GTAIV yesterday? And what's the average review score for the game?Originally posted by Wezil
As a Hillary supporter you have already demonstrated your complete lack of taste.![]()
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

Not if you're in the GTA4 "first to 100%" contest...Originally posted by Wezil
Um, no.
The movie or concert has a set start time. If it starts at 9:00pm then 9:15pm is no good to you.
Video games can be played whenever you install and feel like playing.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

Cultural excrement often sells well (look at the Idol phenomena). What's your point?Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
How many people bought GTAIV yesterday? And what's the average review score for the game?
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

The Idol phenomena is hailed by music critics? I doubt it.Originally posted by Wezil
Cultural excrement often sells well (look at the Idol phenomena). What's your point?
GTAIII and beyond is a melding of popularity among the game buying public and massive critical praise. I'm not the only one who considers the GTAIII series to be some of the best games in history, and plenty of those are gaming critics.
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

I don't have to wait in line for movies.Originally posted by a.kitman
same as waiting in queue for a movie or concert
Banana

I once lived in Croydon. It's a bit of a craphole to be honest, although I had the best address I've ever had.
Only feebs vote.

I wouldn't know as I don't watch or listen to music critics. The Idol winners are often top of the pop charts however. Popularity doesn't mean good.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
The Idol phenomena is hailed by music critics? I doubt it.
Yes, we spoke about your taste earlier.GTAIII and beyond is a melding of popularity among the game buying public and massive critical praise. I'm not the only one who considers the GTAIII series to be some of the best games in history, and plenty of those are gaming critics.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

Sometimes you think they both exclude eachother these days. Fortunately not generally.Originally posted by Wezil
Popularity doesn't mean good.
Banana

No, but critical acclaim usually means 'good'.Originally posted by Wezil
I wouldn't know as I don't watch or listen to music critics. The Idol winners are often top of the pop charts however. Popularity doesn't mean good.
Which matches a vast majority of the critics. So it appears that you are the one lacking taste. S'ok, I had a idea that was the case.Yes, we spoke about your taste earlier.
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

Seems to be lots of issues with the games so far, with the game crashing and freezing for a good word.
Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. -Isaiah 41:10
The LORD your God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing. - Zephaniah 3:17

Well, if that's not a reason for stabbing the creatorsOriginally posted by Nikolai
Seems to be lots of issues with the games so far, with the game crashing and freezing for a good word.![]()
Banana

Mostly with the PS3 version, specifically 60GB PS3s.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

Why this trust in the critics Imran? If your culture is in the toilet how do you expect those swirling around the rim to give you a true perspective?Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
No, but critical acclaim usually means 'good'.
I'm not the one excited about GTA.Which matches a vast majority of the critics. So it appears that you are the one lacking taste. S'ok, I had a idea that was the case.![]()
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

Why not trust in critics? How is one to determine taste? Based on subjective snootiness based on absolutely nothing but a false sense of superiority like yourself?Originally posted by Wezil
Why this trust in the critics Imran? If your culture is in the toilet how do you expect those swirling around the rim to give you a true perspective?
Being excited about one of the most critical acclaimed games of all time is a bad thing? I wonder what people would have said if they found out you were excited about CivIV?I'm not the one excited about GTA.![]()
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

Oh, really? Well, it wasn't the creators who got stabbed either, was it?Originally posted by BeBro
Well, if that's not a reason for stabbing the creators![]()
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Do not fear, for I am with you; Do not anxiously look about you, for I am your God. -Isaiah 41:10
The LORD your God is with you, he is mighty to save. He will take great delight in you, he will quiet you with his love, he will rejoice over you with singing. - Zephaniah 3:17

And again, you want GTA not me.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Why not trust in critics? How is one to determine taste? Based on subjective snootiness based on absolutely nothing but a false sense of superiority like yourself?
I can see redeeming features of the Civ series. Not so with GTA.Being excited about one of the most critical acclaimed games of all time is a bad thing? I wonder what people would have said if they found out you were excited about CivIV?
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

It's called entertainment.I can see redeeming features of the Civ series. Not so with GTA.
"The issue is there are still many people out there that use religion as a crutch for bigotry and hate. Like Ben."
Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "

And we all know what you think about entertainmentOriginally posted by Asher
It's called entertainment.![]()
Banana

I thought you had little use for entertainment Asher.
It's actually about the quality/nature of the entertainment. WWE is entertainment as well and is also cultural crap.
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain

Which indicates my good taste and your lack of the same.Originally posted by Wezil
And again, you want GTA not me.![]()
I'm sure plenty of folks in the 60s thought the Beatles to be "cultural crap".
Just because you are blind to it doesn't mean everyone is.I can see redeeming features of the Civ series. Not so with GTA.
I do like CivIV, but I have yet to see a review describe it as an example of video game as an artform as I have seen with a major publication's review of GTAIV.
I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

Alright Imran. Got put wrastlin on in the background. The two should compliment each other nicely.![]()
"I have never killed a man, but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure." - Clarence Darrow
"I didn't attend the funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it." - Mark Twain
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