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    22-50 would perhaps include some familiar names.
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    Originally posted by -Jrabbit
    The classic example of that is 2003, when they traded down so they could get TWO 1st-round busts (Michael Haynes and Rex). Then they got Peanut Tillman in the 2nd and Lance Briggs in the 3rd.

    Recent Bears 1st-round picks that were NOT a failure
    2008 - TE Greg Olsen (too soon to tell)
    2002 - OT Marc Columbo (now with Dallas)
    2000 - LB Brian Urlacher
    1996 - CB Walt Harris
    1990 - FS Mark Carrier
    1989 - CB Donnell Woolford

    There are some guys who had marginal success, like Curtis Conway and Alonzo Spellman, as well. But in terms of All-Pros... in the last 20 years, it's basically Urlacher. I think Carrier made it a couple times.

    20-year success rate is basically 30%. So set your expectations low.
    Colombo was absolutely a bust (for the bears). He never had a significant period of decent playing time with the bears - so he was a bust. Just because he had one good season with another teams doesn't make him any less of a bust (just as Rex would still be a bust if he went to NE and won five rings).
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    Technically it was 3 ...
    The Bears traded a first-round pick to Seattle for Mirer in 1997. He never won Chicago's starting job.
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    Originally posted by snoopy369

    Colombo was absolutely a bust (for the bears). He never had a significant period of decent playing time with the bears - so he was a bust. Just because he had one good season with another teams doesn't make him any less of a bust (just as Rex would still be a bust if he went to NE and won five rings).
    OK, if that's how you're scoring, make it 25% chance of "decent starter" and 10% chance of All Pro for Bears first-rounders in the past 20 years. Roughly.

    It does seem to suggest that routinely trading out of the first round is the best strategy. Saves on salaries, too.
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    That's the way to go if you have a poor performing team that has oodles of holes to fill.
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    With the extremely high prices that top-10 picks now command, I'm convinced that Jerry Jones' often-used point system evaluation of draft picks is outdated to the point of being nearly useless. The negative impact of having a high-priced, unproven rookie at the top of a team's salary chart can be devastating. Meanwhile, 2nd and 3rd-rounders with nearly equivalent skills -- and often superior performance -- have to wait 3-5 years to cash in. Even worse, they often change teams to do it (see Bernard Berrian, Lance Briggs).

    Unless there's a guy you're absolutely sold on as a true superstar, it makes no sense to keep a high first-round pick under the present system.
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    We have 2 first picks. I'd just as soon see a trade that brought a few lower round picks.
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    When the CBA gets renegotiated, there really needs to be some kind of rookie pay scale.
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    I'd agree, but only if there were guaranteed contracts.
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    No source was quoted, but this is now supposedly a done deal...

    The Chiefs have agreed to trade DE Jared Allen to the Vikings.

    The deal will be finalized Wednesday, but a contract and trade agreement are in place. Kansas City is expected to get Minnesota's No. 17 overall pick and more, probably a third-round pick.

    KC could now look at DE (Chris Long or Vernon Gholston) with their fifth pick. Allen should get less money than Dwight Freeney, but should be receiving a mega-deal.
    Minny's defense has just gotten a lot scarier...
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    CBS.com and NFL.com seem to confirm it. The price, it appears, was pretty high.

    Minnesota will give Kansas City its first-round pick and both of its third-round selections to acquire Allen.

    In 2007, Allen recorded 67 tackles, three forced fumbles and led the league with 15½ sacks.
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    Didn't someone explain to MIN about that herschel walker guy?

    TBH probably a fair deal for them, though, if they can afford him salcap wise... great player.
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    Good deal by both sides, IMO. Allen was going to leave KC, so they got a great package for them, and Minny needed defensive help.
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    From ESPN.com:

    Sources said the Vikings included a second third-round pick (No. 73) in the 2008 draft to get the deal done. They had been offering a No. 1 pick (17th in the first round) and a No. 3 (No. 82). The teams also swapped spots in the sixth round with the Vikings getting a better spot in the sixth round, sources said.


    So it seems a 1st and a 2nd, with swapping in the 6th round.
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    Nope, read it again.

    1st, 3rd, 3rd.
    Plus swap slots in 6th.
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    Ooops, thought it said a second round pick, not a second third round pick.
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    Seahawks release former league MVP Alexander

    KIRKLAND, Wash. -- From MVP to vilified to unemployed in a little more than two years.

    Shaun Alexander's free fall in Seattle was completed Tuesday when the Seahawks cut the running back who led them to their only Super Bowl appearance in 2006 and was rewarded soon after with a $62 million contract.

    For Alexander, the two seasons since he received that eight-year deal have been filled with injuries, ineffectiveness and incessant boos.

    "Yeah, it's sad, really," Seahawks president Tim Ruskell said while announcing the defending four-time NFC West champions released Alexander unconditionally, hours after the running back passed a physical.

    Ruskell could've been talking about the Seattle fan's relationship with the always-smiling star, who earned a reputation for being a bit passive.

    The 30-year-old Alexander went to three Pro Bowls, but was never the most beloved player on the Seahawks.

    Sure, everyone loved Alexander during the 2005 season, when he set an NFL record with 28 touchdowns and a franchise mark of 1,880 yards rushing while leading the Seahawks to the Super Bowl and becoming the franchise's first MVP.

    The Seahawks showed how fond they were of Alexander, giving him a $62 million, eight-year contract with $15.1 million guaranteed that agent Jim Steiner then said was the largest for a running back in league history.

    Alexander was scheduled to earn $4,475,000 this season on a deal that many around the league questioned at the time it was signed because 30 is an age at which NFL running backs often become shadows of their former great selves.

    "The contract was set up that you wanted to get at least three years," Ruskell said. "So we didn't get there. That part is disappointing.

    "I thought because Shaun had not been injured through his career, playing the odds I said ... 'If you are going to bet on a guy, bet on a guy who's not been hurt or had that propensity.' That was the case with Shaun."

    But then he severely bruised his left foot while getting tackled in 2006 opener. He kept playing on it and soon broke it, the first major injury of his football career, and missed six games. Last season, he broke his left wrist in Week 1. In November, he missed three games with a sprained left knee.

    The cutback lanes he used to create began closing on him faster than he could run. His trademark hesitation, which used to deftly set up blocks, suddenly just invited defenders to swarm him -- and his home fans to boo. Coach Mike Holmgren said the injuries and having nowhere to run were the reasons for Alexander's his steep decline.

    Even through his inglorious end in Seattle, Alexander kept the appearance that all was just fine -- that this, too, didn't matter much in the larger context of his life.

    "I want to thank the Seahawks and Holmgren for all they have done for me and my family over the years," Alexander said. "I have nothing but respect and affection for the Seahawks staff, my teammates and the organization. I wish them the best."

    Then he fawned over the same fans who last season cheered as he jogged off the home field while getting replaced.

    "I especially want to thank the Seahawks fans," he said. "You made me feel proud every time I stepped on the field as a member of the Seahawks. I look forward to hopefully returning to Qwest Field one day to play against the Seahawks.

    "We have made far too many wonderful friends to say goodbye. My family will remain in the Seattle area, and when my days in the NFL do eventually come to an end, I plan to retire here. Our hearts are woven into the fabric of this community, we are blessed to be part of it, and we enjoy contributing to it in every way we can."

    "Thank you Seattle."

    Alexander called Ruskell constantly this offseason to discuss his status once the Seahawks signed free agent running backs Julius Jones and T.J. Duckett -- the offseason moves that essentially sealed Alexander's Seattle fate.

    He also called constantly to discuss doctors' reports on his surgically repaired left wrist from January, so Alexander and the team could stay up to date.

    "It's been unique, really," Ruskell said, chuckling. "Every step of the way we've kept him informed ... we've been lockstep with Shaun all along."

    Now, for the first time since they drafted him out of Alabama 19th overall in 2000, the Seahawks and Alexander going separate ways.

    "It shows you how tough this game is, how ever-changing it is, how you can't play forever," Ruskell said. "You just can't do it."

    Even though his last two seasons have been his worst, Alexander said he is not retiring.

    "I will be playing for another NFL team this fall, and doing everything I can to contribute," said Alexander, who ran for 716 yards in 13 games last season -- his lowest total as a full-time starter.

    "I am healthy, energized and looking forward to beginning the next chapter of my NFL career."
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    Be pretty weird if he lands in Dallas.
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    The Boys' need to spend a first rounder on a CB has just evaporated...

    Cowboys acquired suspended CB Pacman Jones from the Titans in exchange for a 2008 fourth-round pick.

    The Titans will also get a 2009 pick if Jones is reinstated and plays this season. The ultimate risk-reward move, but the Cowboys protected themselves. If Jones stays suspended, the Titans will send Dallas a 2009 pick.

    The Cowboys have also re-worked Jones' contract and we suspect it's team friendly. Based on ability and on-field production, Jones is more valuable than anyone in the 2008 draft. Perhaps it will blow up on Dallas, but the price isn't too high.

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    Jones isn't the dumb jackass that many think him to be.
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    I've never thought of him as dumb...

    Nice to see the Boys' tradition of targeting high-character athletes continues.
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    Think of the parties he and TO will throw...
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    They can call Michael Irvin for tips. Or just watch North Dallas 40.
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    A) I agreeJr. The Cowboys were usually tough but clean living, under Landry. Johnson and Switzer threw that out. North Dallas 40 was tame compared to day, and that's even considering the time period.

    Koy, I absolutely HATED Owens, dating back to him standing on a star at Texas Stadium, and getting knowked on his ass for it by George Teague. Since coming here, not one problem with attitude, law, nothing.
    I don't think Jerry Jones would deal for Pacman Jones unless he had Pacman's attention about the rules and expectations, plus have an escape route.
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    Owens, AFAIK, has never had problems with the law, in San Fran or Philly. He tends to like to talk a lot, but doesn't get arrested and generally tries hard on the field. He's an asset until he gets bored.
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    True enough, but high character isn't measured by rap sheet alone. TO has consistently been a QB-killer and a team cancer.

    Not saying a guy can't change. Only that it's clear that JJones clearly values athleticism first.
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    Dallas should sign Osama bin Laden at WR. He's 6'4" and no one can catch him.
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    Well, it got to Dallas' pick (22) and Rashard Mendenhall was still sitting there, but they went with Felix Jones as lightning to MB3's thunder.

    Bears did the smart think and took a left tackle at 14. They like Vandy players

    Mendenhall is clearly the winner of this year's "why did he drop so far?" award. Steelers are up and all the OTs are gone, so I'll be shocked if Pittsburgh doesn't grab him.
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