View Poll Results: How much detail shall we go into in the setup process??

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  • Lets vote on every single aspect of the setup process......

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  • Let's vote on the major settings and leave the rest Keygen......

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  • Let's vote on just a handful of settings and leave the rest to Keygen......

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  • Let's give Keygen a descriptive brief only.......

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  • Let's leave all settings in the hands of Keygen.......

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    Team Setup Poll #1 : Level of setup detail

    OK, first things first, how much time and how many polls to we want to wade through in order to arrive at our final setup options??

    Do we want to examine and vote on every single aspect of the setup process, do we want to vote on just the major settings, do we want to vote on just a handful of things, do we want to submit a descriptive brief only to Keygen, or do we want to leave everything in the hands of Keygen??

    As this is a team poll, could you please not vote in this thread unless you are a team leader. Team leaders are :

    Eirich Tuireann : Paddy
    Gathering Storm : Krill
    Imperio : X_MiTH_X
    PAL : Whip[lash
    Realms Beyond : Swiss Pauli
    Team Banana : Will
    Templars : Beta
    The Rabbits of Caerbannog : RobWorham

    Team leaders, please vote in the above poll, and post that you have voted so everyone knows who has voted, and who is still to vote.

    Team leaders should (if they wish ) make a similar poll to this in their teams private forum, so each team can decide democratically how they would like to proceed with the game setup process.

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    OK, we have two votes so far, but no posting from team leaders.

    Could the team leaders who voted please post that they have done so..........
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    I have voted for major settings.

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    I voted banana evedn though Im NOT a team leader.

    Sorry I just had to do it
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    Originally posted by Swiss Pauli
    I have voted for major settings.


    I have removed the vote for 'brief only' as I have been contacted via PM about an accidental vote.......

    I will leave the bananas untouched.......
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    Making this a poll was a bad idea, should have just voted by paw.
    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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    Templars voted for major settings, although someone did raise the obvious question as to what are major and what are minor settings.

    We are assuming map size and type, tech brokering, victory conditions, barbarian setting, etc, etc are the major settings. So with a list of major settings, what are the minor ones?
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    OK, we have three votes for major settings and only two team leaders posting that they have voted, unless Krill was a voted post too........

    I thought things like starting era would be minor. That is, things that I would presume are a given........
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    I voted "major".

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    Originally posted by RobWorham
    OK, we have three votes for major settings and only two team leaders posting that they have voted, unless Krill was a voted post too........

    I thought things like starting era would be minor. That is, things that I would presume are a given........
    What is presumed to be "given"?
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    We have 6 votes recorded, but only three (possibly four) posted votes by team leaders!!!

    I really didn't think the process was that difficult........
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    Originally posted by conmcb25


    What is presumed to be "given"?
    I would say :

    Starting Era : Ancient
    Advanced Start : No
    Aggressive AI : N/A
    Unrestricted Leaders : No
    Random Personalities : N/A
    Permanent Alliances : No
    Always War : No
    Always Peace : No
    One City Challenge : No
    Permanent War or Peace : No
    New Random Seed on Reload : No
    Lock Modified Assets : N/A
    Victory Conditions : All

    But if anyone feels strongly enough to want to class any of the above as 'major' then just let me know......
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    Thanks for that Rob. Sorry to jump in.

    So decisions about:

    Choose religion
    Goody Huts
    Random events
    City Flipping after conquest
    City Razing

    would be regarded as major in addition to the better known major settings.
    Last edited by Hercules; March 4, 2008 at 18:08.
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    By definition yes.

    The reason I am trying to streamline the process is because the only guideline (rumour) I have heard regarding the release date of the final BtS patch is :

    Q1 (first quarter) 2008

    We are now 2/3's of the way through that first quarter. If we could, I'd like to get things set in place here by the end of the month so we could be ready for when the patch does eventually get released.......
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    Ya but Trip is working on it, so plan on this summer



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    Trip? Work? Nah, Trip doesn't work, he just gets the interns to code for him.
    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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    GO TRIP GO!!!!
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    voted for eirich tuireann
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    bugger, 8 teams, 11 votes

    sorry some people can not do the simple things

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    Originally posted by Paddy
    bugger, 8 teams, 11 votes

    sorry some people can not do the simple things

    I voted banana and did fess up, I just can't help myself.
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    Gathering Storm votes that the teams decide on single issue, be it major or minor.
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    Originally posted by Paddy

    sorry some people can not do the simple things
    I'll conduct the voting by PM for future polls.......

    Unless someone has a better idea.....
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    just don't make it a poll and let the team leaders vote in the threads by posting their teams choices.
    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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    Originally posted by Krill
    just don't make it a poll and let the team leaders vote in the threads by posting their teams choices.
    OK in theory, but the vote could be 'manipulated' by those voting later in the thread.

    Rather than voting for what they actually want, a team might vote for/against a particular setting just to support/defy a trend.

    I propose sending Keygen our PM votes, and he posts the votes in the relative thread once all the votes are received, or the voting submission period is closed.

    But I haven't seen Keygen around here for a while. So if you guys agree, you could hold your votes until I have posted The Rabbits vote publically, then send me your votes by PM, and once I have them all, or the vote times out, I'll post them for all to see.........

    How does that sound???
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    I've already posted so tbh it doesn;t bother me.
    You just wasted six ... no, seven ... seconds of your life reading this sentence.

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    Originally posted by RobWorham



    But I haven't seen Keygen around here for a while. So if you guys agree, you could hold your votes until I have posted The Rabbits vote publically, then send me your votes by PM, and once I have them all, or the vote times out, I'll post them for all to see.........

    How does that sound???
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    PM is fine by me.

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    Originally posted by RobWorham
    By definition yes.

    The reason I am trying to streamline the process is because the only guideline (rumour) I have heard regarding the release date of the final BtS patch is :

    Q1 (first quarter) 2008

    We are now 2/3's of the way through that first quarter. If we could, I'd like to get things set in place here by the end of the month so we could be ready for when the patch does eventually get released.......

    Ya but Trip is working on it, so plan on this summer
    This is my problem: there is a danger of people losing interest if this doesn't start soon. cf warlords DG.

    Is the new and final patch so crucial?

    Will it change things in the early period that much. ?

    (I haven't installed the latest unofficial patch, so don't know the fine tuning).
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    I want to see this succeed btw but keeping 8 teams hanging around until April and a possible patch is stretching things.

    This particular DG concept started late January.


    I suppose I am asking, Why precisely are we waiting for the patch?
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    Originally posted by Hercules

    I suppose I am asking, Why precisely are we waiting for the patch?
    Because it can be a real pain in the arse patching in the middle of the game - plus depending on what they change - teams can be disadvantaged if a certain path they were following becomes nullified by "game" changes, rather than someone beating them to it.
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