Rah's saturday game III

rah · May 2, 2007, 09:29

continued from other thread

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...97#post4897397

kbarrett · May 2, 2007, 17:49

Gibsie:

You need to consider whipping less. Emergencies only. Or at least have a damned good reason to whip.

You are better off growing to the happiness limit, and then turning off growth by emphasizing production and creating specialists.

I'll whip if I fear losing a wonder, or really need a given unit or improvement absolutely right now ... or I'll do it when losing to screw with my enemy, but I won't do it lightly.

Another thing Dom will do, if the opportunity presents itself, is grab a neighbor's capital early. If you can do a Quecha, Impi, or Skirmisher rush early, and grab a capital city at size 3 or 4, you will be way ahead ... In fact, it is easily worth making 6 or so Quechas, and just over-running someone's capital before 3000BC.

EyesOfNight · May 4, 2007, 16:43

Quecha rushes don't work against anyone with any skill. We were doing those back in the first days of the game. Then it was the Egyptian war chariot rush until it got nerfed. Rushes don't work in Civ4 vs anyone decent.

Robert Plomp · May 4, 2007, 18:45

Well, then that's a good thing, I guess.

EyesOfNight · May 4, 2007, 19:19

Yes, it's a good thing that games are impossible to end militarily unless someone stops building units and thus they degenerate into mass axeman+catapult stacks being thrown at each other without either side able to get a lead.

Robert Plomp · May 4, 2007, 19:57

There's more to civ then war.

kbarrett · May 4, 2007, 20:03

Rushes do work against some other players.

They also work against someone attempting a rush ... as Dom is likely to do.

EyesOfNight · May 4, 2007, 20:11

Well in the case to Civ4 there is tons of war it just doesn't go anywhere. If you want to survive vs someone good you have to go massive stacks of catapults and axemen and the game degenerates into nothing. If you sit there and just build you're going to lose. It's a horribly and fatally flawed system and they have yet to fix it.

Dominae · May 4, 2007, 20:35

I think EyesOfNight is trying to tell us not to have fun...

Robert Plomp · May 4, 2007, 20:46

Try playing diplogames

EyesOfNight · May 4, 2007, 21:26

If you have to play diplogames to get the game to function even remotely correctly, then it's a flawed system. End of story. No competitive game in history survived without 1v1s being viable...and Civ4 by the looks of the Civ4 lobby and its ladder is not surviving.

Pinchak · May 5, 2007, 13:49

The ladder is flawed because it tends toward one type of game (smaller map, 120 turns, etc...). As with anything, if you play a specific type of game long enough, one stratagy usually emerges as dominate.

If you want to see the variation of working stratagys, break out of the "inland sea, 120 turn" mold.

Pinchak · May 5, 2007, 13:50

Oh, and I almost forgot...

Is there a game tonight? What time?

Send me the IP please, I am hoping to be able to play tonight.

Gibsie · May 5, 2007, 15:18

I might play as a birthday treat. My life is exciiiiiting

rah · May 5, 2007, 16:30

I'm awake. Yes there will be a game tonight.
EON you should join us. You might *gasp* have a little fun. People do get eliminated.

OK GUYS, I'll start nailing down a start time but it will be a bit but hopefully not too long.

Robert Plomp · May 5, 2007, 17:27

Originally posted by EyesOfNight
If you have to play diplogames to get the game to function even remotely correctly, then it's a flawed system. End of story. No competitive game in history survived without 1v1s being viable...and Civ4 by the looks of the Civ4 lobby and its ladder is not surviving.

People have fun playing civ4, the game is clearly flawed

You should really get out of your little EyesOfNight world dude 8)
The sun is shining, people are happy! Look around, the world is beautiful!

rah · May 5, 2007, 17:37

Start checking in around the top of the hour.

Maquiladora · May 5, 2007, 17:39

Can i still get in on this game? I'm getting really annoyed with random lobby people dropping out. I may be **** but i dont drop, even when im losing.

Ming · May 5, 2007, 18:07

Count me in...

rah · May 5, 2007, 18:07

Yeah figure we're starting in about 15 minutes. I'll pm you the ip when it's hot.

rah · May 5, 2007, 18:23

Game is up and waiting for stragglers.

Hercules · May 5, 2007, 18:48

ah it has started about a half an hour early. I should have checked in earlier.

snoopy369 · May 5, 2007, 18:50

Heya I'm here ...

MasterDave · May 5, 2007, 18:58

Looks like i missed it too damn. Anyone interested in a second game?

EyesOfNight · May 5, 2007, 20:50

When I plyaed it was mirror map, tiny, 250 turns. The game degenerates into an axeman+catapult war and it moves at a snail's pace. I can write a book on all the flaws in the game, everything from the numerical value of units to the tech system and the expansion system.

rah · May 5, 2007, 21:14

Civ II wasn't perfect but we had a lot of fun with it.
We're having fun with IV.

EyesOfNight · May 5, 2007, 22:42

Civ2 was balanced and playable. ALso, Civ2's ****ing screen didn't float and there wasn't computer lag as you clicked on your cities. You literally feel like you're in slow motion when playing civ4 and it actually hurts your game because you can't do things fast enough sometimes. What game ****ing ties your hands even more by decreasing the response time of the interface?

kbarrett · May 5, 2007, 23:25

Gee .... if it sucks that bad, don't play.

We actually enjoy the game, and are obviously too braindead to realize how unbalanced this game is.

Why are you wasting your time talking to st00pid people like us?