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    Here's a very interesting OpEd piece in the WSJ about the deinstitutionalizing of the mentally ill during the 70s/80s here in the States. Can't say that I agree with every point, and I'm undecided on the central thesis, but it's food for thought. As somebody who lives in a very urban area in the US, this problem is in my face every day. And having a very large extended family, I've seen the other side too.

    What does the gov't do in your country with regard to the mentally ill?



    A DANGER TO SOCIETY

    Bedlam Revisited
    Why the Virginia Tech shooter was not committed.

    BY JONATHAN KELLERMAN
    Monday, April 23, 2007 12:01 a.m. EDT

    I was in graduate school, studying clinical psychology when they began shutting down the asylums. The place was California, the time was the early 1970s, and "they" were an unprecedented confederation of progressives, libertarians and fiscal conservatives.

    From the left marched battalions of self-styled mental health "liberation activists" steeped in the writings of Scottish psychiatrist R.D. Laing. Though he denied being opposed to his own profession, Laing's notion that madness could be a reasonable reaction to an unjust society, or even a vehicle for spiritual transformation, helped fuel the anti-psychiatry movement of the post Love-In era. The most radical of Laingians carried revisionism one step further: Not only wasn't psychosis a bad thing, it was evidence of a superior level of consciousness.

    The libertarians were fueled by Thomas Szasz, an iconoclastic psychiatrist who was, and remains, an outspoken foe of virtually every aspect of his chosen specialty. Hungarian-born in 1920, and witness to vicious state exploitation of medical practice by the Nazis and the communists, Dr. Szasz pushed an absolutist dogma of individual choice, finding ready converts among members of the Do-Your-Own-Thing generation. Though his early essays offered much-needed critiques of the Orwellian nightmares that can result when autocracy corrupts health care, Dr. Szasz devolved into something of a psychiatric Flat-Earther, insisting in the face of mounting contrary evidence that mental illness simply does not exist. Currently, he serves on a commission, cofounded with the Church of Scientology, that purports to investigate human rights violations perpetrated by mental health professionals.

    Accepting the arguments of the liberationists and the libertarians at face value led to the assertion that no matter how bizarre, disabling or life-threatening a person's hallucinations and delusions, involuntary treatment was never called for. And to the assertion that violation of that premise created yet another class of political prisoners.

    While moderate members of the anti-asylum movement were willing to concede that psychosis might pose difficulties for a few individuals, they insisted that society had no more right to force psychoactive drugs upon mental patients than it did to hold down diabetics for insulin injections. If treatment was to be offered, it needed to be consensually contracted between caregivers and care-recipients on an outpatient basis. That fit perfectly with the sensibilities of conservative scrooges searching for ways to cut the state budget, and all too happy to dismantle a massive state hospital system denigrated as inefficient at best and inhumane at worst. The replacement chosen was an untested, less costly treatment model: the community mental center.

    How nice that everyone agreed.

    Everyone, that was, except for many families of hospitalized, hopelessly-decompensated, often self-destructive and occasionally violent psychotics. They'd lived with the reality of severe mental illness and wondered what "freedom" would bring. But there weren't enough of these families to matter.

    Were the state hospitals wretched nightmare-palaces straight out of "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest"?

    A few were. But many were well-run institutions for patients in wretched circumstances, providing optimal care within the limitations of what constituted psychiatric treatment at that time: a handful of poorly understood psychotropic drugs and supportive talk-therapy. Perhaps more important, they offered clean beds and three squares a day, which led to them being belittled as warehouses. But the protective environment of the best state hospitals has yet to be improved upon, or even matched.

    No matter, this was baby-and-bathwater time.

    When I entered graduate school in 1972, so pervasive was the push to deinstitutionalize that a newly minted course was added to the mandatory curriculum: Community Psychology, a cobbled-together travesty that stood apart from all my other coursework due to its emphasis on polemics and aversion to science.

    The basic premise of Community Psych--that severely mentally ill people could be depended on to show up for treatment voluntarily--never made sense to me. The core of the most common and debilitating psychosis, schizophrenia, is degradation of thought and reason. So the idea that people with fractured minds could and would make rational, often complex decisions about self-care seemed preposterous.

    One day, I voiced that opinion in class, questioning if any mechanisms were being set in place to prevent a flood of schizophrenics from ending up on the streets, homeless, helpless, victims of crime and, in some cases, victimizers. The Community Psych professor--one of the liberationists--responded with a patronizing smile and a folksy account of the success of a program in rural Belgium or some such place, where humble working folk created a therapeutic milieu by volunteering to house psychotics in their humble homes and everything ended up peachy.

    I didn't challenge what amounted to flimsy anecdotal data, but I did question its relevance to the plight of thousands of severely mentally disabled individuals set loose in vast urban centers. The professor's smile tightened and he changed the subject; and I resolved to get through this joke of a prerequisite and concentrate on becoming the best psychologist possible.

    By the time I received my doctorate in 1974, the doors to many of the locked wards had been flung open and the much vaunted community mental health centers were being built--predominately in low-rent neighborhoods. A few years later, government funding for these allegedly humane treatment outposts had been cut, as yet more fiscal belt-tightening was inspired by findings that they didn't work.

    Because crazy people rarely showed up for treatment voluntarily, and when they did, the treatment milieu consisted of queuing up interminably at Thorazine Kiosks.

    And now we had a Homeless Problem.

    And everyone was astonished.

    Estimates vary but there's no doubt that a significant percentage of people living on heating vents, pushing their belongings in shopping carts, squatting in city parks and immersed in the squalor of tent cities suffer from severe mental disease. And their psychosis is often exacerbated by drug and alcohol abuse--what is, essentially, a regimen of self-medication that should make a Szaszian proud.

    Many of these unfortunates end up as victims of violent crimes. A few become victimizers and when they do, watch out. For though it is true that schizophrenics are responsible for a proportionally lower rate of violent offenses than the general population (because many forms of the disease engender passivity and physical inactivity), when crazy people do act out the results are often horrific: bloody spree killings ignited by paranoid thinking and the angry urgings of internal voices.

    Which brings us to outrages such as the Virginia Tech massacre.

    Diagnosis from afar is the purview of talk-shows hosts and other charlatans, and I will not attempt to detail the psyche of the Virginia Tech slaughterer. But I will hazard that much of what has been reported about his pre-massacre behavior--prolonged periods of asocial mutism and withdrawal, irrational anger and hatred, bizarre writing and speech--is not at odds with the picture of a fulminating, serious mental disease. And his age falls squarely within the most common period when psychosis blossoms.

    No one who knew him seems surprised by what he did. On the contrary, dorm chatter characterized him explicitly as a future school-shooter. One of his professors, the poet Nikki Giovanni, saw him as a disruptive bully and kicked him out of her class. Other teachers viewed him as disturbed and referred him for the ubiquitous "counseling"--an outcome that is ambiguous to the point of meaninglessness and akin to "treatment" for a patient with metastasized cancer.

    But even that minimal care wasn't given. The shooter didn't want it and no one tried to force him to get it. While it's been reported that he was involuntarily committed to a "Behavioral Health Center" in December 2005, those reports also say he was released the very next morning. Even if the will to segregate an obvious menace had been in place, the legal mechanisms to provide even temporary "warehousing" were absent. The rest is terrible history.

    That is not to say that anyone who pens violence-laden poetry or lets slip the occasional hostile remark should be protectively incarcerated. But when the level of threat rises to college freshmen and faculty prophesying accurately, perhaps we should err on the side of public safety rather than protect individual liberty at all costs.

    If the Virginia Tech shooter had been locked up for careful observation in a humane mental hospital, the worst-case scenario would've been a minor league civil liberties goof: an unpleasant semester break for an odd and hostile young misanthrope who might've even have learned to be more polite. Yes, it's possible confinement would've been futile or even stoked his rage. But a third outcome is also possible: Simply getting a patient through a crisis point can prevent disaster, as happens with suicidal people restrained from self-destruction who lose their enthusiasm for repeat performances.

    At the very least, in a better world, time spent on psychiatric watch could've been used to justify placing the Virginia killer on a no-buy gun list. I'm not naïve enough to believe that illegal firearms aren't within reach for anyone who really wants them, but just as loud dogs deter burglars and crime rates drop during harsh weather, sometimes making life difficult for a would-be criminal is enough.

    But all this remains in the realm of fantasy. Penning up and carefully scrutinizing the killer was never an option. Not in Virginia or California or any other state in the union. Because in our well-intentioned quest to maximize personal liberty, we've moved conceptual eons away from taking the concept of dangerousness seriously.

    The best predictor of future violent behavior is past violent behavior, yet we regularly grant parole to murderers, serial rapists, chronically assaultive individuals and habitual pedophiles. Even when we do attempt to segregate low-impulse multiple offenders with effective tools such as with three-strikes laws, liberationist clamor never ceases.

    Talk to anyone who's tried to commit a dangerously violent child or parent for even a few days: A stranger with a law degree will show up at the hearing and paint you as a fascist. So it's far too much to expect anything resembling a decisive approach to those whose level of threat remains at the verbal level.

    Given the excesses of the past--husbands committing troublesome wives, involuntary sterilization of those judged defective--extreme caution is warranted. But like drunk drivers, we sway from one side of the legal road to the other and find the sensible center lane elusive.

    Unless we confront the unpleasant fact that the brains of a small percentage of our citizens incubate dark, disturbed thoughts that can blossom into vicious behavior, we can look forward to repeats of last week's outrage.

    Dr. Kellerman is clinical professor of pediatrics and psychology at USC's Keck School of Medicine and the author of 27 crime novels and three books on psychology, including "Savage Spawn: Reflections on Violent Children" (Ballantine, 1999). His current novel is "Obsession"(Ballantine, 2007 ).
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    • #3
      WEll, in here they kick everyone out and people who need help and WANT help can't be all taken in, since there isn't enough resources.

      But committing, hmmhh... I'd assume it's very difficult to actually force someone into treatment that happens inside closed facilities.

      To me, this is definitely an issue of freedom. I think people have the right to be insane. Who are we to say, well, we need to fix you? What is insane?

      I'd say it comes into picture when it is clear, that they're going to do something of a violent nature. Well how can we be sure? We can't, but I think the limit should be up there, when it's possible that violence will happen, then I think that person can lose their freedom because of the safety issues of other people.

      In other cases, where we see people are deeply insane, can't live by themselves, and they have legal guardians appointed to them,t hen I guess if there's a consensus that the person can not survive and think what is best for them, as in they'd just crap on themselves and eat it, smear poo on the windows and not come out, EVER, well, if we have a consensus from say, two doctors and the guardians.. you know, cest la vie.
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      • #4
        This guy almost totally glosses over the abuse that was prevalent in the old system. Of course if you're only presented with half of the story, you'll walk away believing "yeah we should start doing that again."

        What's going on right now is the lesser of two evils. We do have a happy medium to find, but it is far less radical than the author claims.
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        • #5
          People put any crap on paper and it's taken as gospel.

          Bring back "state schools". Yes, that was so much better.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by mrmitchell
            Of course if you're only presented with half of the story, you'll walk away believing "yeah we should start doing that again."
            If someone is judged to be an imminent threat to both himself and others by a court because he's so ****ed up in the head as in the case of VA Tech why the hell shouldn't he have been committed?
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            • #7
              Many people in there weren't people who absolutely couldn't take care of themselves. The state also didn't get in qualified people to diagnose those committed so they could be helped and released.
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              • #8
                Which gets us back to the baby and the bathwater - just because people who didn't need institutionalization used to be locked up is no reason that those who do need institutionalization should not be locked up.
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                • #9
                  Deal with the abuses, but IMO, society need protection against the mentally ill and the mentally ill need protection against themselves.
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                  • #10
                    geez, we've gone from what did VAtech do wrong that day, to gun control, to advocating the reinstitutionalization of the mentally ill.


                    What Im waiting for is how this kid went through the Fairfax County Public Schools without anyone realizing that a kid with no friends, who never talked, needed help.

                    Perhaps because his grades were good? Helped boost the SOL scores? No Child Left Behind, indeed.

                    When are public schools going to remember theres a whole child there?
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                    • #11
                      Unless we confront the unpleasant fact that the brains of a small percentage of our citizens incubate dark, disturbed thoughts that can blossom into vicious behavior, we can look forward to repeats of last week's outrage.


                      Ahem. Is it not considered normal anymore to have thoughts of violent actions as long as you keep them momentary thoughts?

                      I could kill him for writing that. - Now a symptome of some schizophrenic disorder?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Ned
                        Deal with the abuses, but IMO, society need protection against the mentally ill and the mentally ill need protection against themselves.
                        I agree.
                        What?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by DinoDoc
                          If someone is judged to be an imminent threat to both himself and others by a court because he's so ****ed up in the head as in the case of VA Tech why the hell shouldn't he have been committed?

                          If a court so judges, a person CAN be commited. Its not that hard, really.

                          But this:
                          "prolonged periods of asocial mutism and withdrawal, irrational anger and hatred, bizarre writing and speech"


                          encompasses a far larger body of people than would find themselves in court. Depending on how you interpret it, it could include not only most autistic people, including many aspies, but all kinds of folks with depression, social anxiety disorder, ADD, etc.

                          Hell, we dont provide adequate care for such kids when THEY do seek help. Why do you think we're going to go to the expense of involuntarily commiting tens or hundreds of thousands?

                          People arent thinking clearly about this.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Last Conformist
                            Which gets us back to the baby and the bathwater - just because people who didn't need institutionalization used to be locked up is no reason that those who do need institutionalization should not be locked up.
                            there is still involuntary commitment in the US, which you wouldnt know from reading stuff like this. Its usually applied to folks who have attempted suicide, or have presented with likely symptoms of suicide to a mental health professional.

                            It has undoubted saved some lives. There are reports that it has caused harm as well - some folks who talk abotu suicide, arent going to commit it, and being institutionalized can itself cause pyschological harm. Its a difficult call for a mental health professional to make, and I dont envy them their task.


                            But its SO easy in hindsight, when somebody has already killed 30 folks, to know what should have been done.

                            How many of you would have committed somone and done so mistakenly? And no, its not always just a unpleasant semester break, from what I understand. It can be a devestating experience.
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                            • #15
                              What Im waiting for is how this kid went through the Fairfax County Public Schools without anyone realizing that a kid with no friends, who never talked, needed help.
                              And what this guy's family (if any) was up to, as well. Let's not lay it all on the schools.

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