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    Sigh, where's aneeshm when you need him?

    Cleric 'meat' remarks spark fury

    SYDNEY, Australia (AP) -- One of Australia's senior-most Islamic clerics has triggered outrage after comments reported Thursday comparing women who do not wear a headscarf to "uncovered meat" who invite rape.

    Sheik Taj Aldin al Hilali denied he was condoning rape when he made the comments in a sermon last month, and said Australian women were free to dress as they wished.

    Other Muslim leaders, Australia's sex discrimination commissioner and political leaders condemned the comments.

    Hilali was quoted in the Australian newspaper as saying in the sermon: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat's," Hilali was quoted as saying in The Australian.

    "The uncovered meat is the problem. If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred," he was quoted as saying, referring to the headdress worn by some Muslim women.

    Sex Discrimination Commissioner Pru Goward said Hilali's comment was an incitement to rape and that Australia's Muslims should force him to stand down. She also called for the Egyptian-born cleric who arrived in Australia in 1982 from Lebanon to be deported.

    "This is inciting young men to a violent crime because it is the woman's fault," Goward told television's Nine Network. "It is time the Islamic community did more than say they were horrified. I think it is time he left."

    Prime Minister John Howard also rejected the comments as unacceptable.

    "They are appalling and reprehensible comments," Howard told reporters. "The idea that women are to blame for rapes is preposterous."

    Hilali is the top cleric at Sydney's largest mosque, and is considered the most senior Islamic leader by many Muslims in Australia and New Zealand.

    He has in the past served as an adviser to the Australian government on Muslim issues, but triggered a controversy in 2004 for saying in a sermon in Lebanon that the Sept. 11 attacks were "God's work against the oppressors." Hilali said later he did not mean that he supported the attacks, or terrorism.

    The latest furor comes at a time when relations between Australia's almost 300,000 Muslims and the majority Christian-heritage population are tense following riots last December that often pitted White gangs against Muslim youths of Middle Eastern decent.

    Howard offended some Muslims recently by singling out segments of their community as extremists who should adopt Australia's Western liberal attitudes to women's rights.

    Many Muslims say they are increasingly treated with suspicion since the Sept. 11 and other terrorist attacks. Waleed Aly, a member of the Islamic Council of Victoria state, said Hilali's comments would result in more antagonism toward Muslims.

    "I am expecting a deluge of hate mail," he said. "I am expecting people to get abused in the street and get abused at work."

    Hilali said in a statement he was shocked by Thursday's reaction to his sermon.

    "I would like to unequivocally confirm that the presentation related to religious teachings on modesty and not to go to extremes in enticements, this does not condone rape, I condemn rape," he said.

    "Women in our Australian society have the freedom and right to dress as they choose, the duty of man is to avert his glance or walk away," he said.
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    Ignorance prevails.
    Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
    "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
    He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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    • #3
      Women without headscarf are like "uncovered meat", inviting rape


      And men with long beards thinking in these terms, asses upturned, should consider using the other end for intellectual purposes.

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      • #4
        Same end. Head is up ass.

        Wait until they discover she's not wearing panties.
        Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
        "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
        He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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        • #5
          Scum. Scum. Scum.

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          • #6
            Hilali was quoted in the Australian newspaper as saying in the sermon: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat's," Hilali was quoted as saying in The Australian.
            Interesting choice of words...

            Pussycats, naturally, when shortened, can be a lewd term for the more feminine gender, and meat can be a slang term for the dangling appendage the more masculine gender has.

            So, an exposed penis might be attacked by raving vaginas?

            Eh?

            ===

            That ignores the fact that a piece of meat generally doesn't have the wherewithal to cover itself, as it lacks sentience. If it could cover itself, well, it's probably not for eating, not even by cats.
            B♭3

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            • #7
              I say we start some riots, burn pictures of Muhammed, and trash something.
              I've allways wanted to play "Russ Meyer's Civilization"

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              • #8
                You can't do that, they might get offended

                Well you know what some of these Islamic clerics can be like, a bit mad...
                Speaking of Erith:

                "It's not twinned with anywhere, but it does have a suicide pact with Dagenham" - Linda Smith

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                • #9
                  I know rape is not the first thing I think when I see a woman's uncovered head. Funny how that works, unreligious man -- no vision of violent sex, religious man -- immediate thought of violent sex. Just what God is it this man worships? Perhaps Kali? Or Baal?
                  No matter where you go, there you are. - Buckaroo Banzai
                  "I played it [Civilization] for three months and then realised I hadn't done any work. In the end, I had to delete all the saved files and smash the CD." Iain Banks, author

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                  • #10
                    "Hilali was quoted in the Australian newspaper as saying in the sermon: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside ... without cover, and the cats come to eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat's," Hilali was quoted as saying in The Australian."

                    His followers are animals?

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                    • #11
                      And people laugh at me for saying meat consumption often runs paralel and synchronous with other discriminatory ideologies.
                      Rethink Refuse Reduce Reuse

                      Do It Ourselves

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                      • #12
                        And we still laugh at you... because in addition to that you use this as an example for your argument
                        “I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
                        - John 13:34-35 (NRSV)

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                        • #13
                          Cannibalism would be a legitimate parallel.
                          Life is not measured by the number of breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.
                          "Hating America is something best left to Mobius. He is an expert Yank hater.
                          He also hates Texans and Australians, he does diversify." ~ Braindead

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Cort Haus
                            Scum. Scum. Scum.
                            ...people like to cry a lot... - Pekka
                            ...we just argue without evidence, secure in our own superiority. - Snotty

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                            • #15
                              Updates from http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/ar...ing_for_it.php


                              Luckily elements in the Oz Muslim community have decided to stand up against this example of misogyny disguised as religion.

                              Here's Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Waleed Ali:

                              "Anyone who is foolish enough to believe that there is a relationship between rape or unwelcome sexual interference and the failure to wear a hijab, clearly has no understanding of the nature of sexual crime," he said.

                              Iktimal Hage-Ali, who advised Australian Prime Minister John Howard on Muslim issues added:

                              "The onus should not be on the female to not attract attention, it should be on males to learn how to control themselves."

                              Ms Hage-Ali said she was "disgusted and offended" by Shiek Hilali's comments. "I find it very offensive that a man who considers himself as a mufti, a leader of Australia's Muslims, can give comment that lacks intelligence and common sense."


                              and


                              The Sheikh has now apologised

                              "I unreservedly apologise to any woman who is offended by my comments...Women in our Australian society have the freedom and right to dress as they choose (while) the duty of man is to avert his glance or walk away. If a man falls from grace and commits fornication then if this was consensual, they would be both guilty, but if it was forced, then the man has committed a capital crime. Whether a man endorses or not, a particular form of dress, any form of harassment of women is unacceptable."

                              The Islamic Council of Victoria and the Islamic Council of New South Wales both condemned the sermon, Sherene Hassan of the ICV saying "Those comments are extremely offensive, and there is no basis for what he said in Islamic teachings", and Ali Roude of the ICNSW saying the remarks were "un-Islamic, un-Australian and unacceptable".

                              The ICV have also called for him to resign, which if his Wikipedia entry is anything to go by sounds like a good idea.

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