Scenario Walkthrough: Genghis Khan (Part 1/3)

[DanQ]

Apolyton Civilization Site staff member and Civilization IV: Warlords beta tester Joe "snoopy369" Matise has written a three-part walkthrough of the expansion's "Genghis Khan" scenario. The first part has been published today.

"The basics to the scenario are fairly simple. You control the Mongolian Hordes in thirteenth century Asia. Your mission is to put the fear of the Mongols into the hearts of the people of Asia", Matise begins. "You may do this peacefully, by buildling up a civilization to rival any other, or (perhaps more fun...) by razing cities, gaining capitulating vassals, and pillaging square after square of Asia and Europe.

The victory condition is fairly simple: 3000 points. [..] 3000 doesn't sound too hard... except for the fact that you lose a certain amount of points each turn, and lose if you hit zero".

Six screenshots accompany this write-up. Part 2 is scheduled to be published on August 1st and Part 3 on August 4th.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

[saad_23]

Hi DanQ....i know this is not the thread to report bugs, but to attract your attention.......

i think there is a problem with the Mehmed Leaderhead. The pedia returns an empty page for him....worse, when he tries to contact me during a game or i try to contact him...the whole thing crashes. Initially i thought it was due to some xml file, but later discovered that the art files are causing the trouble. Have you experienced any problem with Mehmed too, or is it just me?? Can you please give me a fix for this???? THnaks

ohh....i got my warlord form Direct 2 Drive downloads, can that be a reason for this?

[Louis XXIV]

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...hreadid=155536

[DanQ]

Thanks, Louis XXIV. saad_23: The best way to get my attention -- and not post a question in an incorrect location as you recognize -- is to either email or send me a PM. I was not aware of this problem; in that case, I would have searched for an answer on your behalf and failing that I would have recommended you post your inquiry in our "Warlords" forum.

Any comments/questions about this actual walkthrough then?

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Dan; Apolyton CS

[DrSpike]

I'd be more than happy to comment, but I need to play the scenario first.

[Louis XXIV]

I'm eagerly waiting for part two

[Will9]

When can we expect one for Athens in The Peloponnesian War. The Ign preveiw said they would have a powerful navy and solid economy. Their economy is terrible and their navy is spread to thin to do a thing.

[DanQ]

Originally posted by Will9
When can we expect one for Athens in The Peloponnesian War.

Maybe if you ask Joe nicely...

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Dan; Apolyton CS

[snoopy369]

I probably won't do any more walkthroughs in the short-term at least ... I know the Khan scenario very well, and don't really know the others very well. However, there's nothing to keep others from playing the scenarios and doing something of their own ...

[Chopper]

My question is (which is not actually a question to begin with) - I must have trashed the Confucianism, Buddihism, Taoism and Christian Holy Cities before I realised what I was doing. Is there a good reason to keep these cities in this scenario or is a good production city a more viable option considering religion spread is going to be difficult early with all the warmongering? Did you specifically keep a Holy City in preference over others becuase of location or was it not factor? I am trying the scenarion at Noble difficulty.

[rah]

Hmmm i tried to mimic your walk through and ran out of money reasonably early. hahahahaha

So I tried something different. I RUSHED the red chinese (to get tribs) and then the yellow civ (razed two of their cities), then the blue chinese, then the koreans. I kept all the other cities, and didn't pillage a single improvement. By the late 1300 I had the required 3000 points to win.

I never see Europe. I do go after india but by the time I get there i'm just a few points short of winning.

[Greek76]

Genghis Khan was definately my favorite scenario. Great job!

[rah]

I've been enjoying it also, but i'm sure it will get old.
I keep going up a level of difficulty to see if my strat will change, but it hasn't yet.

[Greek76]

I know what your saying although it is more challenging on difficult but like you said after awhile you master it as well.

[rah]

I like the units and promotions. But since I rarely have to travel to Europe, I was surprised by the units that could target seige units in stacks. The first time was quite a surprise when my GG trebs were butchered.

[Ming]

Originally posted by rah
I've been enjoying it also, but i'm sure it will get old.
I keep going up a level of difficulty to see if my strat will change, but it hasn't yet.

Try immortal... That was the first level where the strategy you've discussed didn't work very well. I was able to take out the red and keep their cities, but was hemoraging money like you wouldn't believe... ended up going after the blue just to pillage and collect money from taking cities... the cost to keep any additional city was a killer... and even holding on to just the five original red cities was expensive.

I'm still ahead of the game, and might be able to win... but MAN what a difference the level makes.

[rah]

I guess I'll have to give immortal a try next Sounds like fun.

[rah]

Ok, tried it at immortal.
Based on your comments I razed the red chinese city to the northeast and just kept the 4. Didn't have a problem with money. I had 500 and was only at -5. Instead of taking yellow out I went straight after blue and was able to take all those ciites and was at 1000 and averaging -5 to -20. Now the groceries are in place and there is no problem. I'm only currently at war with the indians and I've got the pass sentried/blocked.

Yellow and then the Koreans next and I doubt I'll need much after that to get the 3000.

The only other difference this time was that I left less behind and advanced a little quicker so I had slightly fewer troops which kept the cost down.

The only panic was having to deal with the blues roving force a little earlier while my defenses were a touch thin.

I'll finish this one off and see what happens at deity.

[Ming]

It looks like the game I'm playing at immortal is as good as over... just a few more turns to get the required 3000.

I look forward to the deity game as well. I'll have to see if I can avoid the money problems that you seem to have avoided. I really do prefer having a stronger empire at my back... Right now, I have raging barbs picking at all my boarders because of all the cities I razed down south.

[rah]

I haven't pillaged yet for money. I'd rather get the income from those towns.

[rah]

Well, started one at Deity. Not much harder. Have all the red minus the NE one, all the Blue, and the two main Korean cities. I'm at 2000 points running a -8 deficit with only about $250 left so I guess I'm going to have to kill some desert cities As long as I lose some troops in the attacks, this one should be a winner. Lots of barbs.

[Ming]

Yeah... pretty much sounds like the Deity game I started... Just finishing off the last Korean city (I think I did just what you did and razed one of their cities, intending to just keep the best two) and now moving on the Yellow civ...

An easy winning strategy... It is a shame though, because you don't really get involved with many of the civs. I might try one where I march due west from the beginning just to experiment with the other civs, and see all the hard work that the designer put into the scenario

[Jon Shafer]

The hope was that you could play it more than one way. If you just want to fool around in China, feel free. I don't think it's as exciting though.

[rah]

Winning comes first.

Any scenario that has replayablity is well done.
I'm on my 4th try as I up the level.
And it was exciting to finally play civIV anything at deity and have a shot at winning it.
I've had a lot of fun with this scenario and the barbarian one and the viking one. So for those that say warlords wasn't worth the money, I say bah. (even though I though it was worth it just for the changes and additions to the game)

As with any game, you learn how to beat it, I was surprised that my initial gut feelings (considerably different then the walk through described) was the right strat on this one.

And even with staying in the east, it was still exciting, but I may also try it again and head west not as concerned about winning since I know it can be done.

But most important, except for the WWII scenario in CIV II, I've never really played/enjoyed scenarios. I have already enjoyed 3 of them in Warlords and anticipate playing a few more. Well done.

I'm currently running at +50 with $1000 and 2400 points so I assume that this try won't take many more turns.

And Trip, please remember that Ming and I are twins so when we take up a challange we're quite competitive and try to out do each other, so sometimes while the methods appear quite mechanical it's necessary to get that little extra to beat the others accomplishment.
We take a lot of enjoyment out of the little things.

[rah]

It took a few more turns than I thought but the win was inevitable. A DEITY WIN. Finally.

[Ming]

Originally posted by rah
It took a few more turns than I thought but the win was inevitable. A DEITY WIN. Finally.

The same here... nice to win a Civ IV game at Deity for a change. I pretty much played the same strategy in terms of conquest, but instead of keeping the cities, I razed 99% and kept the Korean Capital. The time I tried to keep them all, I ran into money problems early... this time I didn't.

[DrSpike]

Who got the highest score? :stir:

[Ming]

Score wouldn't be the issue, since 3000 points is the victory condition, once you get it, you win. Which one did it in less turns would have been a better question

I think the first time I tried it, I ran into money problems because I was too lucky on my earlier fights. One time, I lost about half my units on the first big city. This time, I lost very few units early, and kept getting more.

[DrSpike]

Originally posted by Ming
Score wouldn't be the issue, since 3000 points is the victory condition, once you get it, you win. Which one did it in less turns would have been a better question

Ok, post your time.

[rah]

Yeah, getting a free camp early and getting lucky on the first few cities is more of a curse since you could run out of money. Later on, both are really nice.

And Spike, I wasn't trying to do it in the least amount of turns, I was just trying to beat it at Deity before he did. hahahaha