Legalise prostitution? I'm for it!!

Spec · February 21, 2006, 20:48

Not that I need it or anything...

No really, since I'm not as cultured as all you freaks here

, I dont remember in what country it has been implanted in. But I know that in some countries, prostitution is legalised and gouvernment controlled. Meaning that it's a free service, prostitutes are check for STD, earn a good living, aren't beaten by their pimps and can quit when they want. Just like a regular job.
I also heard that rape cases in these countries are really rare. Since some girls, and guys, are willing to sell there body to someone for a good time, why not let them do so. Hell, if it can save some girls life for not being raped and make beautiful people with no futur make money, why not implante it in Canada or the U.S.. Shlt, I mean, they almost sell porn on MTV these days, why not sell the real thing but in a controlled way?

Spec.

Nostromo · February 21, 2006, 20:54

AFAIK, prostitute support groups here in Canada are mostly against it, since it would mean they would have to pay income taxes. IRC, they want it decriminalized, but not legalized.

Zkribbler · February 21, 2006, 20:57

Originally posted by Spec
But I know that in some countries, prostitution is legalized and gouvernment controlled. Meaning that it's a free service . . .

Never heard of free prostitution. Kind of an oxymoron.

The only government controlled prostitution i've ever heard of (aside from Congressmen

) was when the U.S. government foreclosed on a small business loan made to a Nevada bordello.

But all in all, legalization is a good idea if it can get the pimps and drugs out of the business, get health checks, taxation

, and protect the girls from abuse (and protect the boys too).

DRoseDARs · February 21, 2006, 20:59

We have legal brothels here in Nevada, where the girls can leave if they wish, are checked for STDs constantly and safe sex practices are strictly enforced on worker and client, abuse of the girls is prosecuted the the fullest extent of the law, and yet we still have illegal prostitution on our streets.

So no, legalization isn't a cure-all in-and-of-itself. Some women and men either can't be or refuse to be arsed to bother with any kind of legal regulation of the world's oldest trade.

Spec · February 21, 2006, 21:02

Originally posted by nostromo
AFAIK, prostitute support groups here in Canada are mostly against it, since it would mean they would have to pay income taxes. IRC, they want it decriminalized, but not legalized.

How can it be decriminilized if its not legalized...Every revenu that is not obtained criminally, should be taxed...
How can you earned a non criminal living without it being taxed?

Spec.

Barnabas · February 21, 2006, 21:05

I think it should be legal and organized, like have all the prostitues in one place of the city, hotels for prostitutes, and the prostitute union would test the prostitues to check they dont have aids, like, guaranteed our girls have no diseases, come here it is safe.

Pekka · February 21, 2006, 21:09

I don't see it as a bad thing. Also make it available for people in with physical disadvantages, wheelchair people etc.

Spec · February 21, 2006, 21:13

Originally posted by Pekka
I don't see it as a bad thing. Also make it available for people in with physical disadvantages, wheelchair people etc.

Wheelchair people usually dont have errections since the nerves are cut...But sure, they could satisfy the whore orally...

Spec.

Kinjiru · February 21, 2006, 21:13

Originally posted by Spec

How can it be decriminilized if its not legalized...Every revenu that is not obtained criminally, should be taxed...
How can you earned a non criminal living without it being taxed?

Spec.

Not true. Certain classes of legal income earning trades are exempt from any and all taxation (in the US). Church workers are the example I am thinking of, but I am pretty sure that there are a few other classes as well.

Pekka · February 21, 2006, 21:19

Wheelchair people can have an erection, depending what their situation is.

And those who can't, they might have other ways to get satisfaction. To deny this is to deny satisfaction altogether from people in disadvantaged positions.

Zkribbler · February 21, 2006, 21:22

Originally posted by Kinjiru
Not true. Certain classes of legal income earning trades are exempt from any and all taxation (in the US). Church workers are the example I am thinking of, but I am pretty sure that there are a few other classes as well.

Churches are exempt...but I don't think their workers are.

notyoueither · February 21, 2006, 21:26

Originally posted by Spec

How can it be decriminilized if its not legalized...Every revenu that is not obtained criminally, should be taxed...
How can you earned a non criminal living without it being taxed?

Spec.

It has already been decriminalised.

Communicating for the purpose in a public place, on the other hand...

Dinner · February 21, 2006, 22:24

Most of Latin America has it legalized and confined to a certain portion of each city. That way the johns who want hookers can know where to get it, average families don't have to look at it, and public health officials can perform health inspections to prevent the spread of diseases. Several European and Asian countries do the same.

I'd be all for doing it in the US and Canada if for no other reasons then because criminalizing it doesn't work, it will be better for the girls in the business (no pimps), and the doctors can help prevent disease.

DaShi · February 21, 2006, 22:27

I prefer Old Town.

Vince278 · February 22, 2006, 01:44

If everyone was as witty and charming as myself this would not be an issue.

The Emperor Fabulous · February 22, 2006, 02:03

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
We have legal brothels here in Nevada, where the girls can leave if they wish, are checked for STDs constantly and safe sex practices are strictly enforced on worker and client, abuse of the girls is prosecuted the the fullest extent of the law, and yet we still have illegal prostitution on our streets.

So no, legalization isn't a cure-all in-and-of-itself. Some women and men either can't be or refuse to be arsed to bother with any kind of legal regulation of the world's oldest trade.

You can't get them in Las Vegas. They're illegal there - street walking becomes necessary (especially in a city like, well, LAS VEGAS)

And brothels are illegal in Reno and 4 other counties, so they have to walk the street or advertise anyways.

Robert Plomp · February 22, 2006, 02:13

Come over to The Netherlands.
Prostitution has been legalized here. Now you can legally have paid sex with women from eastern europe who are sex-slaves against their wills because their pimps have bought them through human trade networks! Legalized sex with women against their will, what more can anybody want?

notyoueither · February 22, 2006, 02:15

Isn't legalisation supposed to stop that?

Dis · February 22, 2006, 02:29

come over to Nevada. I'll show you some prostitutes.

no seriously. I'll be happy to get some of you guys laid.

DRoseDARs · February 22, 2006, 02:39

Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous

You can't get them in Las Vegas. They're illegal there - street walking becomes necessary (especially in a city like, well, LAS VEGAS)

And brothels are illegal in Reno and 4 other counties, so they have to walk the street or advertise anyways.

Thanks, but given I live here I already knew all that. That wasn't the point...

Flubber · February 22, 2006, 03:10

Originally posted by nostromo
AFAIK, prostitute support groups here in Canada are mostly against it, since it would mean they would have to pay income taxes. IRC, they want it decriminalized, but not legalized.

Hate to break it to you but income tax is SUPPOSED to be paid on all income including that which you gain illegally. technically a drug deal SHOULD declare all their income as well. Thats pretty old and well established law here in Canada

If you mean that a more organized trade would mean that the income is tracked better, well I agree.

Flubber · February 22, 2006, 03:15

Originally posted by DRoseDARs
We have legal brothels here in Nevada, where the girls can leave if they wish, are checked for STDs constantly and safe sex practices are strictly enforced on worker and client, abuse of the girls is prosecuted the the fullest extent of the law, and yet we still have illegal prostitution on our streets.

So no, legalization isn't a cure-all in-and-of-itself. Some women and men either can't be or refuse to be arsed to bother with any kind of legal regulation of the world's oldest trade.

But as you know, the "legal" trade is very limited geographically . The true test would be if there would be a street trade if there were legal brothels throughout the city

I'd bet that some shadow trade would continue but it would be greatly reduced

Its like alcohol. Hvae prohibition and there's bootlegginf everyone. maje booze freely available and there are much fewer smugglers.

DRoseDARs · February 22, 2006, 03:20

The brothels near Reno ARE NOT that far from Reno. Please, my afternoon commute to work takes longer (30-45 minutes). Hell, the ones near Carson City are even closer to them and they've less traffic to deal with.

Robert Plomp · February 22, 2006, 03:51

Originally posted by notyoueither
Isn't legalisation supposed to stop that?

It is supposed to do that, but it doesn't. Several investigations have showed this.
It's as in other sectors of our economy. There are much illegal workers from Poland in our agricultural secion in example. As long as there are people who want to do things cheap or there are people in foreign countries who want to earn easy money, this will continue.

You'll be surprised to find out how many of the girls in prostition / pornography have been sexual abused as a child. Our 'greatest' pornstar, Kim Holland, in example has been abused and raped by several men in her family when she was a child.
Are they voluntairy going into prostition? Or are they just doing that because they have no normal view on sex?

Of course there are a lot of woman who do it with full knowledge, completely voluntairy.
But you may wonder if you visit a prostitute or watch porn:
1. is this girl doing this because she wants to do it or because she's forced to do it?
2. has this girl been raped or abused in the past? And am I factually taking advantage of her?
3. is this girl doing this because she really needs the money to help her poor family?

I'm 100% sure that people who watch porn or visit hookers on a regular base are responsible for this.
And since there's a huge market for porn, the abuse will continue.

Of course people don't like it I say this and will come with all kinds of excuses. But in the end it's just your penis that's talking. You do not want it because you're rational brain knows it's good an ok. You just it because you're horny and need some relief.

Well, if you get your relief, wonder: "Am I taking advantage of this girl and am I part of this world who's destroying her life". It doesn't matter if you watch her or do her.

In case you wonder, I don't pretent to be any better then any of you guys.

Provost Harrison · February 22, 2006, 04:56

Originally posted by nostromo
AFAIK, prostitute support groups here in Canada are mostly against it, since it would mean they would have to pay income taxes. IRC, they want it decriminalized, but not legalized.

Exactly...think of the tax revenue!

I think it should be legalised to allow better control. It is all well being sanctimonious over it and it's problems, but if it where legalised it would be much safer far all parties. And won't you think of Dis?

Gangerolf · February 22, 2006, 05:49

Originally posted by Pekka
I don't see it as a bad thing. Also make it available for people in with physical disadvantages, wheelchair people etc.

They do this in Denmark. Welfare

Oncle Boris · February 22, 2006, 05:52

Prostitution legalization is like drugs legalization, it's a big duh.

Gangerolf · February 22, 2006, 06:02

Originally posted by Spec
Not that I need it or anything...

No really, since I'm not as cultured as all you freaks here

, I dont remember in what country it has been implanted in. But I know that in some countries, prostitution is legalised and gouvernment controlled.

I think it's legal in most countries in Europe*
But government controlled? Are you some kind of communist?

*In Sweden it's illegal to buy sex, selling is ok though

Dr Strangelove · February 22, 2006, 07:02

Originally posted by Spec

Wheelchair people usually dont have errections since the nerves are cut...But sure, they could satisfy the whore orally...

Spec.

You're wrong. People can be in wheelchairs for any number of reasons, including arthritis, muscle diseases, heart failure, and others. You were thinking about paraplegics crippled by spinal cord injuries. In most of those cases there is an intact reflex arc between the genitalia and the spinal cord. Many of them can get an erection from appropriate stimulation of the genetal skin. In fact, I've known of paraplegic men who have sired children.

Oh, and prostitution IS abuse of women even if it's sanctioned by law and its victims protected from physical assault.