Do you miss any of the features that were in the previous Civ games?

[Zapotah]

During the Civ series, features of the game have been dropped to make the games more approachable to more people. I've been wondering that do people miss these features? I miss most (although the civ franchise was owned by another company) the future that was in CTP and CTP2. IMHO the future technologies, wonders and units made the game extremely interesting after you had played the same game for many hours (even days) and the technological progress in the game still went forward. It sort of created this illusion of the world progressing during the whole length of the game.

Do you, and if you do (when you do ), what features do you miss most from the previous Civs?

[Bobby Chicken]

yah, I would like more specific future stuff

[tocon002]

I really miss the Caravans. It was always exciting to successfully get a trade windfall from successfully getting a Caravan to a faraway city.

[jlhughes]

The load map option of civ 3 is what I miss the most and the whole map editor. I also remember all the scenarios that came out with civ2 gold edition. I consider this the high point in ease of creating them. I think a way should be made to get back to this but some aid will have to be given in the graphics to do so. The edition which included the science fiction and Fantasy worlds took this away but it did allow for more meaningful changes. The versions of civ since then have made it even more difficult for the graphic elements. These graphics should not be a hindrance to scenarios. Perhaps some premade ones with a graphics editor to add them to the game would be in order.This would be useful for resources as well.

[jlhughes]

Part 2

I forgot, I would like the ability to add another age so that some science fiction elements could be used in the game.

[Dauphin]

Originally posted by tocon002
I really miss the Caravans. It was always exciting to successfully get a trade windfall from successfully getting a Caravan to a faraway city.

You can do that when you get with the Merchant Great Leaders.

Less flexible, but still available.

[Alanus]

In CTP, I loved the submarine roads.

What a waste of time to still have to use transport to carry units from one continent/island to the other.
OK, I know there are airports, but it is limited to one unit at a time.

[jlhughes]

I miss the covered wagon that was used for the settler graphic in civ1. Now that the settler is seperate from the worker unit, it could be used again.
In CTP I miss the undersea cities and roads.
I do like the idea of the supply crawler that was used in smac

[OneFootInTheGrave]

Eh, I miss the caravan too, and some different way to manage city trade (non-automated). Perhaps they can add this as a mini-game in some expansions.

One more thing I miss is the newspaper columns from Civ 1 (but that is highly unlikely to make a return), and that simple view with citizens from Civ 1. they could perhaps add a sophisticated version of it.

One more thing that I miss from Civ 1 is the sinking of continents with global warming! That was sooo cool, and haven't seen it in Civ 4.

[VetLegion]

They didn't sink, they just got drier, plains would turn into deserts and grassland into plains. They did sink in SMAC though, or to be more precise, the water would rise. Damn, I played too much of this stuff

[Alanus]

Originally posted by OneFootInTheGrave
One more thing that I miss from Civ 1 is the sinking of continents with global warming! That was sooo cool, and haven't seen it in Civ 4.

This can certainly be introduced in a mod scenario.
I remember that there was a pre-build scenario in CTP or CTP2 that did that - island sinking after a volcano eruption !

[oldmrsmith]

I miss the food caravan option from Civ2. It was nice to help out a city which was surrounding by hills with a couple food caravans. Although I am glad they eliminated the option of being able to rush wonders with those caravans.

[timbrom]

I miss the City tote from Civ2. The colour-coded names for cities in "We Love..." and disorder let you quickly do the rounds to cheer everyone up.

I also hate the way, in Civ4, the city tote reorders itself every time you go back to it from a city. If I want to see the cities in Beaker production order, that's the way I want to see them until I say otherwise.

[Grandpa Troll]

Originally posted by oldmrsmith
I miss the food caravan option from Civ2. It was nice to help out a city which was surrounding by hills with a couple food caravans.

I second that, just loved that realistic option

Although I am glad they eliminated the option of being able to rush wonders with those caravans.

I love it though

In Call To Power I learned a neat little trick, perfectly legal

I would put a city on a wonder I knew would take a while when I knew it would take a while to research

Then on decent production cities build units like Calvary and send to that city and disband them, even though I would recoup all my investment, I could rush build the wonder that way

[Adagio]

I miss the quality of the wonder-movies in SMAC (they were the best)
I miss nuke wars
I miss the paper from Civ1
I miss the "animation" from Civ1, when a city finished a construction
I miss the spaceship from Civ1
I miss the more "dynamic" leaderheads in Civ3 (where they changed with age)

Originally posted by jlhughes
Part 2

I forgot, I would like the ability to add another age so that some science fiction elements could be used in the game.

Modding might be an option, I doubt we'll see the future (or just near future) in an XP to Civ4

[timbrom]

Oh yes, almost forgot. I miss the Town Council, particularly Elvis.

[Adagio]

Add that to my list too

[Grandpa Troll]

Yeah

I love how they all would argue with one another

That is a BIG miss as well

I allways fancied myself ore like the military dude

he killed me

[Blake]

I miss the voiceovers from SMAC, they were really, really good. The civ4 ones are okay but lack character.

From SMAC, I miss the ability to make others surrender.

In CTP2 I liked the "Chunnel" submarine roads and of course true stacked combat. In CTP2 mods I liked the difficult healing - having to pay to restore units to full health, good for realism, good for strategy.


I do not miss horridly unbalanced features like caravans and supply crawlers. Which is not to say I wouldn't like to see the return of supply crawlers, but not in a horridly unbalanced state.

To a certain extent I miss probe teams / diplomat&spies, but they were horribly overpowered and unbalancing.

[Asmodean]

Lack character? They've got Leonard Nimoy doing them for christ's sake

You just can't get anymore character than that

Asmodean