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    The US is turning against the policies of the NeoCons: e.g., massive deficits to finance tax breaks; nation building in Iraq, and expansion of the federal government into areas traditionally controlled by the states.

    In an interview last week, Howard Dean said the Democrats would announce their alternative agenda sometime before the 2006 elections.

    "PeleoConservatives" is a term I made up to describe more traditional conservatives, i.e. those who espouse fiscal responsibility, federalism and limited government. They've been expressing growing frustration with the way the NeoCons are running the nation.

    In light of the Democrats failure to act, what do you think the chances are for the PaleoCons of gaining control of the country?

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    I thought it was neocons who were supposed to be in favour of nationbuilding, and the paleocons against?
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    • #3
      What about Paleoconservatives? Or have they all died out now?

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        I hope they fall upon each other like a pack of wild dogs. Then I hope the Dems masturbate themselves into oblivion. Then the Socialists and the Libertarians can try running the country.
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          What a lovely couple they'd make.
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            ZKribbler, that's an interesting term, but wouldn't that make the neocons as paleo-liberals, or as they would call it in Europe, classical liberalism?
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            • #7
              Nope.

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                Re: Can PeleoConservatives take over the Republican Party?

                Originally posted by Zkribbler
                The US is turning against the policies of the NeoCons: e.g., massive deficits to finance tax breaks; ..., and expansion of the federal government into areas traditionally controlled by the states.
                What do these have to do with Neocons?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
                  ZKribbler, that's an interesting term, but wouldn't that make the neocons as paleo-liberals, or as they would call it in Europe, classical liberalism?
                  I wasn't aware that classical liberalism focused on the use of overwhelming force in foreign affairs, in order to bring democracy abroad.
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                  • #10
                    Neoconservatism has nothing to do with deficits or economics, it has to do only with foreign policy.
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                    • #11
                      Of course foreign policy has an effect on domestic policies...
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                      • #12
                        policies of the NeoCons: e.g., massive deficits to finance tax breaks
                        What? Neoconservatives have no single view on economics, let alone foreign policy. They believe in promoting democracy. Look at Az for example--a leftie economically who supported the Iraq war.
                        and expansion of the federal government into areas traditionally controlled by the states.
                        Perhaps in America this might be so, but it seems very unlikely that all Neocons would express such a view. There seem to be some very strange misconceptions about the idea of neoconservatism. They aren't some cohesive group. They're a bunch of people with many differing political viewpoints who believe that democracy should be promoted worldwide.
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                        • #13
                          I'm just curious when the term came to mean whatever the person using happens to dislike.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DinoDoc
                            I'm just curious when the term came to mean whatever the person using happens to dislike.
                            Well, the thing is, BECAUSE neo-conservatives don't have a fiscal fixation, and wars tend to be very expensive means the fact they don't seem to demand domestic budget cuts to carry out their world plans makes them pretty much profligate spenders. Of course deficits will then be associated with them.

                            Neoconservativers might not care about welfare, but they don't go around demanding tax cuts every second. NO kideding Bush's fiscal policy gets associated with them.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by GePap
                              Neoconservativers might not care about welfare, but they don't go around demanding tax cuts every second.
                              I'm almost certain there is a typo in here somewhere.
                              Well, the thing is, BECAUSE neo-conservatives don't have a fiscal fixation
                              Which is understandable given that the theory doesn't have much if anything to say about domestic affairs but doesn't enlighten me to the source of the ignorance espoused by the abuse of the term. I'm sure Christopher Hitchens or even Imran to take a more familiar example disagree with much of GWB's domestic agenda.
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