MarkG Supplemental CIVILIZATION IV PREVIEW

**MarkG** · October 22, 2005 10:17

For those who cant search 10 pages of posts here's a compiled list of the answers to various questions i've made in the main preview thread as well as some answers to questions i didnt reply to

http://civilization4.net/3/170/319/

http://civilization4.net/3/170/320/

**Stuie** · October 22, 2005 10:26

Cool - thanks Markos!

**Jerh9e1k5** · October 22, 2005 10:49

Nice Summation

Missed a lot of those in the forums, thanks!

**Fidel** · October 22, 2005 10:52

edit

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Originally posted by LaRusso
can you raze a holy city? are there any effects on the religion, its spread, etc?

You can raze a holy city. The effect on spread is the same as any city

what did you mean by this? religion continues spreading as usual? is there another holy city for that religion assigned (akin to capital when the original one is razed?) does it make additional diplo hit with believers who you are not in war with?

**Solver** · October 22, 2005 11:08

Actually, as far as I understand the system, that religion should spread slower if you raze te holy city.

**Fidel** · October 22, 2005 11:21

thanx

**Aro** · October 22, 2005 11:43

Thanks, Mark.

**ajbera** · October 22, 2005 12:42

At the bottom of the religion screenie, it says "Cannot convert to Buddhism because of recent Revolution: wait 5 more turns." Please explain?!

Also:

Bombers can bombard cities or attack units on the fields (attacking a stack brings collateral damage to all the units on the tile).

Can bombers destroy city improvements? Can they choose what improvements to destroy (like precision bombing in Civ3)?

Thanks!!!

**Solver** · October 22, 2005 13:20

I had just switched civics before taking that religion screenshot - you can't change civics/switch religions every turn, there's a pause.

Bombers don't destroy city improvements.

**Atahualpa** · October 22, 2005 13:45

Markos

**Nikolai** · October 22, 2005 15:09

Thanks Markos!

Impressive work you and Solver has done the last days, answering most of the questions from us high demanding jerks.

**Lorizael** · October 22, 2005 15:14

Bah. They enjoy holding the game over our heads.

Seriously, though, Markos and Solver rock.

**ajbera** · October 22, 2005 15:22

Originally posted by Solver
I had just switched civics before taking that religion screenshot - you can't change civics/switch religions every turn, there's a pause.

So... you change civics/religion, you experience 1 turn of anarchy (unless you have the Spiritual trait), and you can't make any more changes for 5 turns? When you change civics/religion, can you make multiple changes at once, or one at a time? Does anarchy last longer if you change multiple civics?

Bombers don't destroy city improvements.

One more thing on my list of things to mod...

**Lorizael** · October 22, 2005 15:24

Originally posted by ajbera

So... you change civics/religion, you experience 1 turn of anarchy (unless you have the Spiritual trait), and you can't make any more changes for 5 turns? When you change civics/religion, can you make multiple changes at once, or one at a time? Does anarchy last longer if you change multiple civics?

I've seen Replay Screen shots where multiple civics were changed by the same leader in the same year.

**MarkG** · October 22, 2005 15:36

can you make multiple changes at once

yes

**Nikolai** · October 22, 2005 15:42

I thought so. Good to get it confirmed though.

Is there a greater cost in doing so, like in SMAC? And does it give more anarchy?

**yin26** · October 22, 2005 18:58

there is are "what's your price for X" options to easily get a starting point. then you can huggle a bit

"Huggle" -- I like it!

I guess the word for the negative side is:

"Arggle"

**yin26** · October 22, 2005 18:58

Thanks for this summary, by the way.

**The_Aussie_Lurker** · October 23, 2005 03:06

Hmmm, I have to say that, once again, I like the vast bulk of what I am hearing here. The only thing which bothers me a little bit, really, is that siege weapons and bombers seem to have been 'nerfed' in relation to the impacts on cities. I always loved killing the odd citizen or city improvement when I 'missed' my intended target

!
That is a point, though, can bombers and artillery kill city population and/or tile improvements via bombardment?
Thanks Mark and Solver-you guys have done a fantastic job over the last couple of weeks

!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

**Solver** · October 23, 2005 07:04

There's no killing city population either, except for nukes. Can't say I really miss it. Tile improvements are destructible though.

I don't view artillery and air units as "nerfed". I view them as balanced. In Civ3, massive artillery meant you could conquer a civ with no losses. Not so in Civ4. Air force in Civ4 is very important in modern wars and makes your job easier, but you'll still need ground forces, too.

**The_Aussie_Lurker** · October 23, 2005 07:11

Sorry, by 'nerfed' I didn't mean that civ4 should have retained the civ3 system for artillery and bombers, but truth is that in real life these kinds of attacks CAN cause collateral damage-to civilians and structures alike, and I did like that element of civ3's system. Perhaps only as a side effect of their battering defenses down. If collateral damage caused unhappiness in the city for both the current and future occupier, then it might actually ADD something good and balanced to the game, IMO!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

**Solver** · October 23, 2005 08:13

Cities are going to be unhappy enough when you take them over

.

**GeoModder** · October 23, 2005 08:15

So... would prior to taking a city converting them to your religion help?

**Solver** · October 23, 2005 08:26

It would make things worse

. If you're Buddhist and fighting a Buddhist enemy, then the unhappiness will be much worse - "We won't fight against our brothers in faith!"

**GeoModder** · October 23, 2005 08:28

Keep your enemies close (in believes

)!

**Martinus** · October 23, 2005 09:03

Originally posted by The_Aussie_Lurker
Sorry, by 'nerfed' I didn't mean that civ4 should have retained the civ3 system for artillery and bombers, but truth is that in real life these kinds of attacks CAN cause collateral damage-to civilians and structures alike, and I did like that element of civ3's system. Perhaps only as a side effect of their battering defenses down. If collateral damage caused unhappiness in the city for both the current and future occupier, then it might actually ADD something good and balanced to the game, IMO!

Yours,
Aussie_Lurker.

I think that except for few historical cases a'la Dresden during WWII, the collateral damage during bombing is not enough to represent it in game (i.e. they are not big enough to reduce the populace in game, or destroy all libraries/universities - sure some buildings may be damaged, but the infrastructure remains).

**joncnunn** · October 23, 2005 19:29

I guess, I'll probably find out for myself soon since I'm buying it at a store Tuesday (sorry Mark G, couldn't stand the wait for shipping that preordering would result in), but is the Civ IV AI smart enough to avoid the terriable city spots?
(Founding a non-coastal city with serval coastal tiles within raidious / found a city one tile away from a free aquaduct / planting cities on food or shield resource that kills the bonus [this assumes that in Civ IV, the bonus gets killed like Civ III)

**bt_oz** · October 24, 2005 02:33

G'day markg and solver, can you tell me is there a difference in gameplay between your beta copies and the final release?

And did you get a manual for the beta and if so howmany pages is it?

cheers
bt_oz

**tuckson** · October 24, 2005 06:42

Hi,

Sorry if I ask something which already passed earlier, but we're expecting a baby (week over time now) so I've been little on the internet recently.

Markos and Solver, could you tell us what machines you played civ on and how it felt on that configuration?
What do you think about the realism of given system requirements?

And both of you, thank you for writing the previews and the q&a's. Really liked to read 'em.

kind regards

**Solver** · October 24, 2005 08:27

G'day markg and solver, can you tell me is there a difference in gameplay between your beta copies and the final release?

We didn't have "beta copies". The entire beta team has been receiving new builds regularly, and you can imagine that the game wasn't what it is now a few months ago.

Markos and Solver, could you tell us what machines you played civ on and how it felt on that configuration?
What do you think about the realism of given system requirements?

I ran on a 1.8 GHz system with 512 MB RAM and a GeForce 5700 with 256 MB VRAM. The latest builds had quite comfortable performance on this machine. On Standard maps, even in the late game, AI turn wait time wasn't high. For those of you with CPUs above 2 GHz, nothing at all to worry about. Even on Large maps, I didn't see long waits between turns.

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