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    This is the part I don't understand.
    "In 1998, the U.S. Commerce Department selected ICANN, a private organization with international board members, to decide what goes on those lists. Commerce kept veto power, but indicated it would let go once ICANN met a number of conditions.

    But earlier this year, the United States indicated Commerce would keep that control, regardless of whether and when those conditions were met."

    What possible use would the US government have for reserving such irrelevant unexercisable "control"? If they really don't want UN involvment then why are they so reluctant to remove residual symbolic US government involvment? I thought the current administration was really gung ho about removing government involvment in the private sector in as many ways as possible.


    link to the following article from cnn

    U.S. insists on controlling Web

    Friday, September 30, 2005; Posted: 4:51 a.m. EDT (08:51 GMT)


    GENEVA, Switzerland (AP) -- The United States refuses to relinquish its role as the Internet's principal traffic policeman, rejecting calls in a United Nations meeting for a U.N. body to take over, a top U.S. official said.

    But while the United States stuck to its position, other negotiators said there was a growing sense that a compromise had to be reached and that no single country ought to be the ultimate authority over such a vital part of the global economy.

    "We will not agree to the U.N. taking over the management of the Internet," said Ambassador David Gross, the U.S. coordinator for international communications and information policy at the State Department. "Some countries want that. We think that's unacceptable."

    Speaking Thursday on the sidelines of the last preparatory meeting before November's World Summit on the Information Society in Tunisia, Gross said that progress was being made on several issues, but not on the question of Internet governance.

    The stalemate over who should serve as the principal traffic cops for Internet routing and addressing could derail the summit -- which aims to ensure a fair sharing of the Internet for the benefit of the whole world.

    Internet governance historically has been the role of the United States, because it created the original system and funded much of its early development.

    While this arrangement satisfies some, developing countries have been frustrated that Western countries that got onto the Internet first gobbled up most available addresses required for computers to connect, and left developing nations to share a limited supply.

    One proposal that countries have been discussing would wrest control of domain names from the U.S.-based Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, and place it with an intergovernmental group, possibly under the United Nations.

    "We think that that's inappropriate," Gross told reporters at U.N. offices in Geneva. "The genius of the Internet is that it has been flexible (and) private-sector led."

    The United States was "deeply disappointed," he said, with a proposal made Wednesday by the European Union, which seemed to shift the bloc's position in that direction, against well-established U.S. policy.

    One negotiator said on condition of anonymity that only a handful of countries remained in the U.S. camp.

    "We've been very, very clear throughout the process that there are certain things we can agree to and certain things we can't agree to," Gross said. "It's not a negotiating issue, this is a matter of national policy."

    ICANN now controls the Internet's master directories, which tell Web browsers and e-mail programs how to direct traffic. Internet users around the world interact with them everyday, likely without knowing it. Policy decisions could at a stroke make all Web sites ending in a specific suffix essentially unreachable.

    Though the computers themselves -- 13 in all, known as "root" servers -- are in private hands, they contain government-approved lists of the 260 or so Internet suffixes, such as ".com."

    In 1998, the U.S. Commerce Department selected ICANN, a private organization with international board members, to decide what goes on those lists. Commerce kept veto power, but indicated it would let go once ICANN met a number of conditions.

    But earlier this year, the United States indicated Commerce would keep that control, regardless of whether and when those conditions were met.

    A U.N. panel has outlined four possible options for the future of Internet governance, ranging from keeping the current system intact to revamping it under new international agencies formed under the auspices of the U.N.

    International forums for discussing Internet and information-related issues would be a possible compromise, so long as they were outside the realm of the U.N. and did not seek to serve as regulatory bodies, Gross said.

    "It has to be done in an appropriate way, so that nobody thinks it is a backdoor approach to have intergovernmental regulation for something that ought not to be regulated," Gross said.

  • #2
    Don't like it, make your own Internets

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    • #3
      interwebs
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      • #4
        But earlier this year, the United States indicated Commerce would keep that control, regardless of whether and when those conditions were met.
        I don't see how they can. Anybody can make a root DNS server.
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        • #5
          the trick is getting people to use yours in the place of the US ones.

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          • #6
            Basically.


            I still think they should just make a new UN internet standards authority and hand it over to the UN. The big five could all have perment reps there (without veto power) and they can write a law saying interested parties (internet businesses, universities, software companies, user groups, etc...) get to comment and work with the UN on any standards changes.

            Having one country dictating standards, even if their government did create the thing, won't work these days since the web has gotten so big.
            Try http://wordforge.net/index.php for discussion and debate.

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            • #7
              this would never have happened if we still called it Darpanet.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Verto
                Don't like it, make your own Internets
                That's the risk.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Colon


                  That's the risk.
                  But that approach is every bit as self defeating as the one commerce is using. Bottom line is, why set up a new authority if the existing one is hard to abuse without enormous advanced warning? Whatever was used to replace the current authority would always in theory be vulnerable to possible future abuse.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Whoha
                    the trick is getting people to use yours in the place of the US ones.
                    They are all over the globe.

                    Originally posted by Whoha
                    We have made our system open, and done all the heavy lifting.
                    Most of the building was actually driven by commercialisation, particularly by the dotcom bubble.

                    Originally posted by Whoha
                    If you don't want or like US "control" then run your own with parts you can buy on the cheap and software you can download for free. You can even change up the protocols on your internet if you are feeling particularly frisky.
                    I am not sure what you are going on about here. Seems like just random rambling.
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                    • #11
                      A group of IBM employees invented it while working on a Government Contract for the US Military. So the US Gov. ownes it.

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                      • #12


                        The other thread had 47 posts, and it gets closed in favor of this one with 10.

                        y'all need a new policy on duplicate threads.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by OzzyKP


                          The other thread had 47 posts, and it gets closed in favor of this one with 10.

                          y'all need a new policy on duplicate threads.
                          You may have noticed the other thread is mostly spam.

                          Besides this one had been created before yours. Judging contents requires some subjective decision, using time of creation doesn't.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Urban Ranger
                            I am not sure what you are going on about here. Seems like just random rambling.
                            If hes worried about the evil US badCorps(tm) taking control for their own nefarious purposes, he need not be.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Urban Ranger


                              You may have noticed the other thread is mostly spam.

                              Besides this one had been created before yours. Judging contents requires some subjective decision, using time of creation doesn't.
                              From the article from Ozzys thread (copied below) I don't really see how they constituted two duplicate threads. Ozzykp's thread was about EU opposition to the status quo while this thread and the cnn article linked were about the US government reneging on a promise to remove government involvment in the infrastructure of the net.


                              EU Wants Shared Control of Internet

                              BRUSSELS, Belgium - The European Union insisted Friday that governments and the private sector must share the responsibility of overseeing the Internet, setting the stage for a showdown with the United States on the future of Internet governance.

                              A senior U.S. official reiterated Thursday that the country wants to remain the Internet's ultimate authority, rejecting calls in a United Nations meeting in Geneva for a U.N. body to take over.

                              EU spokesman Martin Selmayr said a new cooperation model was important "because the Internet is a global resource."

                              "The EU ... is very firm on this position," he added.

                              The Geneva talks were the last preparatory meeting before November's World Summit on the Information Society in Tunisia.

                              A stalemate over who should serve as the principal traffic cops for Internet routing and addressing could derail the summit, which aims to ensure a fair sharing of the Internet for the benefit of the whole world.

                              At issue is who would have ultimate authority over the Internet's master directories, which tell Web browsers and e-mail programs how to direct traffic.

                              That role has historically gone to the United States, which created the Internet as a Pentagon project and funded much of its early development. The U.S. Commerce Department has delegated much of that responsibility to a U.S.-based private organization with international board members, but Commerce ultimately retains veto power.

                              Some countries have been frustrated that the United States and European countries that got on the Internet first gobbled up most of the available addresses required for computers to connect, leaving developing nations with a limited supply to share.

                              They also want greater assurance that as they come to rely on the Internet more for governmental and other services, their plans won't get derailed by some future U.S. policy.

                              Policy decisions could at a stroke make all Web sites ending in a specific suffix essentially unreachable. Other decisions could affect the availability of domain names in non-English characters or ones dedicated to special interests such as pornography.

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