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  • Is the Pope the successor of the Roman Emperors? Vatican city = Roman Empire?

    The byzantines spoke greek, and ruled over greeks in greece and asia minor, not romans.

    the holy roman empire was well... german, not roman.

    From the collapse of the Empire, the only one who ruled over Rome, and kept the language of the romans alive (to this day) was the Bishop of Rome, aka Pope, so, the Papal states (were) until that hellbound mason Garibaldi appeared the successor of the Roman Empire, and now the Vatican City (is) the successor of the Roman Empire, and the Popes have been and are to this day successors of the Emperors!

    Rule Rome, they have it
    Speak Latin, they have it
    Elective Monarchy a la Adoptive Emperors, they have it..
    Title Pontifex Maximus, they also have it.

    Discuss.
    I need a foot massage

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    "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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    • #3
      stop giving me the dancing little dudes, people
      I need a foot massage

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      • #4
        empire > city
        CSPA

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        • #5
          Re: Is the Pope the successor of the Roman Emperors? Vatican city = Roman Empire?

          No, the President of Turkey is.

          edit: seriously
          Last edited by chequita guevara; September 11, 2005, 23:53.
          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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          • #6
            Actually, the Russian Czar was, or claimed to be. So I guess that may mean that Vladimir Putin is now the Roman emperor.
            CSPA

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            • #7
              No one recognized the Russian claim.
              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gangerolf
                Actually, the Russian Czar was, or claimed to be. So I guess that may mean that Vladimir Putin is now the Roman emperor.
                No, it means Vladimir Putin is now the Pope. Duh.
                "I have as much authority as the pope. I just don't have as many people who believe it." — George Carlin

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                • #9
                  Western Rome fell, but Eastern Rome did not. What we now called the Byzantine Empire was not the successor to the Roman Empire. It was the Roman Empire. That is how everyone refered to it. When the Ottomans took Constantinople, they were recognized as the successors to Rome by their contempories, not just in the East, but in the West as well. They were the Ottoman Sultanate of Rum. The Sultan's title was Kaiser i-Rum, Caesar of Rome. Hell, the Venetians recognized the Ottomans claims to Southern Italy based on the Ottomans being the Romans. Turkey was the successor state to the Ottomans, thus, the President of Turkey is the successor of the Caesars.

                  Muscovy's claim to being the 3rd Rome was based soley on marrying a Byzantine princess, but the Ottomans didn't just marry them, they were decended from them as well.
                  Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                  • #10
                    The Roman Empire died in 1453

                    When the Eastern Empire fell there were no more successors.

                    The line ended there.
                    12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                    Stadtluft Macht Frei
                    Killing it is the new killing it
                    Ultima Ratio Regum

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                    • #11
                      Stop NOT giving him little dancing dudes!

                      The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

                      The Weighted Companion Cube is cheating on you, that slut.

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                      • #12
                        The Ottomans did not succeed to the throne of the Empire. They took the Byzantines apart a piece at a time. They did not install themselves as the new leaders of Rome. Their rule was a clear break with the rule of Rome.
                        12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                        Stadtluft Macht Frei
                        Killing it is the new killing it
                        Ultima Ratio Regum

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                        • #13
                          You're wrong, KH. They called themselves the caesar of the romans and their contemporaries recognized them as such. Mehmet II definately considered himself the Roman Emporer. Suleyman did as well, and one of the reasons for the strong animosity betwen him and Carlos of Spain was that the latter called himself Emperor of the Romans (since he was Holy Roman Emperor). The 2nd seige of Vienna was specifically done in order to bring Carlos to battle and decide the issue once and for all. Carlos never showed.
                          Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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                          • #14
                            They called themselves Caesars as a convenience. Some of their contemporaries recognised them as such because it was convenient. Some did not because it was inconvenient.

                            The Byzantines were taken apart a piece at a time. The Ottomans were not their successors, but their conquerors.
                            12-17-10 Mohamed Bouazizi NEVER FORGET
                            Stadtluft Macht Frei
                            Killing it is the new killing it
                            Ultima Ratio Regum

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by KrazyHorse
                              The Byzantines were taken apart a piece at a time.


                              A distinction without meaning.

                              The Ottomans were not their successors, but their conquerors.


                              When you conquer someone, you inherit any claims they once had.
                              Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...

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