Young people have always been like that - it's part of growing up.
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I haven't been able to stop thinking about this today. Modern thought has been thoroughly infected with Post-Mondernist nonsense. Eco-Luddites protest every advance in genetics. Society continues to get more and more decadent, and young people seem to be more into New Age/Oriental mysticism than science and reason (which reminds me of the mysticism that took hold during the late Roman Empire). Is the end near?![]()
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Young people have always been like that - it's part of growing up.
"Go back to sleep America - your country is safe!"

What the West needs is the promise of the Enlightenment to be fulfilled... the elimination of organised religion and irrational, mob-centric political correctness.
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progress continues regardless. Luddite nuts only make a difference when they turn into eco-terrorist arseholes. At which point they rise in importance to the level of teenage vandals.

Originally posted by Whaleboy
the elimination of organised religion and irrational, mob-centric political correctness.
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I'm not so sure you can shrug them off so easily. I heard on the radio a few days ago that a guy in Britian who bred guinea pigs for lab use was constantly given death threats by "animal rights" nuts, and feared so much for his life that he shut down his business.Originally posted by Geronimo
progress continues regardless. Luddite nuts only make a difference when they turn into eco-terrorist arseholes. At which point they rise in importance to the level of teenage vandals.
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Well here in the states we should just sic the patriot act on them and lock them up for life. They seem pretty sloppy about concealing their tracks.Originally posted by Odin
I'm not so sure you can shrug them off so easily. I heard on the radio a few days ago that a guy in Britian who bred guinea pigs for lab use was constantly given death threats by "animal rights" nuts, and feared so much for his life that he shut down his business.
the west isn't really in decline, but the east is in rise. The west will no longer be the dominant force on this planet for much longer.
get used to it.

The east as it is currently structured looks to be yet another heir to 'the west'. 'The West' as a non cold war concept hasn't had much meaning for several decades if not centuries.Originally posted by Dis
the west isn't really in decline, but the east is in rise. The west will no longer be the dominant force on this planet for much longer.
get used to it.

He discontinued the breeding of guinea pigs for scientific research, but his farm is not being closed.Originally posted by Odin
I'm not so sure you can shrug them off so easily. I heard on the radio a few days ago that a guy in Britian who bred guinea pigs for lab use was constantly given death threats by "animal rights" nuts, and feared so much for his life that he shut down his business.
I just hope that the dumb *expletive*s return the remains of his wife's mother to the grave they stole them from.
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Originally posted by Dauphin
I just hope that the dumb *expletive*s return the remains of his wife's mother to the grave they stole them from.
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I would say yes, the West is facing a decline in several areas, but so is the entire world.

Originally posted by Geronimo
The east as it is currently structured looks to be yet another heir to 'the west'. 'The West' as a non cold war concept hasn't had much meaning for several decades if not centuries.
What I worry about is that if China is still undemocratic when it becomes #1, the elite in the developing countries will see it as meaning that the Chinese-style oligarchy is better than western Democracy, erasing over 200 years of political advancement.
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I think in his position, most of us here would have continued guinea pig farming and rightly so. The ****s that have been intimidating and vandalising his farm and stealing his wife's mother's remains should be denied the use of every drug that has ever been tested on animals, and then asked whether it is worthwhile or not.
Of course, because he has a family, it makes it somewhat harder.
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*cough*China*cough*Originally posted by Verto
I would say yes, the West is facing a decline in several areas, but so is the entire world.
The Chiense have done a much better job fighting postmodernism, eco-luddism and mysticism, however.Originally posted by Odin
What I worry about is that if China is still undemocratic when it becomes #1, the elite in the developing countries will see it as meaning that the Chinese-style oligarchy is better than western Democracy, erasing over 200 years of political advancement.
Their oligarchy does resemble the philosopher-king government of Plato, perhaps democracy is not the best form of government when the other aspects of enlightenment haven't yet been achieved.
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The Roman world was eaten alive by a new religion quickly expanding all over the known world. And now again.
I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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Christianity sucks for civilisation![]()
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Not really. To me they look more like more like the typical bickering, alliance-shifting, Machiavellian oligarchs that have occured throughout history. Plato's philospher kings were to have gained leadership by being the cream of the crop intelectually, ruling a meritocratic, though totalitarian, society. In single-party states you gain power by sucking up to party leaders and being ruthless machiavellians, not very meritocratic to me. In my eyes the only thing thety share is totalitarianism.Originally posted bySmiley
Their oligarchy does resemble the philosopher-king government of Plato
Anyway, my ideal state is a mix of democracy and meritocracy, a kind of democratic Technocracy.
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Christianity sucks for civilisation
Want to try Islam instead?
I will never understand why some people on Apolyton find you so clever. You're predictable, mundane, and a google-whore and the most observant of us all know this. Your battles of "wits" rely on obscurity and whenever you fail to find something sufficiently obscure, like this, you just act like a 5 year old. Congratulations, molly.
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No, secularism.Originally posted by Datajack Franit
Want to try Islam instead?![]()
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I think it's just a perception thing, we know and hear too much. Every little news is being hyped as the apocalypse, add to that, that we like to sweeten the past.
The Chiense have done a much better job fighting postmodernism, eco-luddism and mysticism, however.
You mean like using grinded rhino or Syberian tiger balls to get a hard on? Yeah...sounds much better.
China still has a long way to go and will face many problems before it's "there".
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Remind me again where all the big computer and bio-tech companies are again? I think you'll find the "West" holds a vast majority of them.
I agree with alva. It's a perception thing rather than reality.
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Originally posted by Odin
No, secularism.![]()
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like it or not christianity is one of the key foundations upon which western civilisation is built.Originally posted by Whaleboy
Christianity sucks for civilisation![]()
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it's been holding us backOriginally posted by C0ckney
like it or not christianity is one of the key foundations upon which western civilisation is built.

arguable, but what i said is solid gold truth.
"The Christian way has not been tried and found wanting, it has been found to be hard and left untried" - GK Chesterton.
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so?Originally posted by C0ckney
arguable, but what i said is solid gold truth.
foundation schmoundation...
you know what else is the foundation for human civilization?
worshipping fire...
worshipping the sun...
worshipping the stars...
IGNORANCE is the foundation for our civilization...

no sava, because if ignorance was the foundation, then you'd surely be running the show.
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yes folks, he'll be here all weekOriginally posted by C0ckney
no sava, because if ignorance was the foundation, then you'd surely be running the show.
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