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  • #16
    i) Do you think that it's representative in general (ie that most parents are outsmarted by their children regarding computers and the Internet)?


    Most definitely. You can clearly see that the majority of IT specialists are young guys, in their early twenties mostly. Likewise, it's not uncommon for 14-20 year olds to be quite comfortable with computers. And in the same way, most 40 year olds are not quite comfortable with computers, either because they don't like them, haven't taken the time to learn them, etc. So yes, it's very representative and very true.

    ii) Do you think it is true when it comes to Apolytoners and their children (teenagers)?


    I don't think that Apolytoners differ on this one, although they differ on a lot of things .

    iii) Do you think it's the fate of all older generations (past, current and future) to lag behind the younger ones when it comes to technological development and new gadgets? (I believe it was Douglas Adams who said that after 35 all innovations are completely incomprehensible)


    Depends on the persons. I do know some people who are over 60 and keep up with the latest in techs and gadgets; there are excellent tech experts of that age as well. However for the most part, the older generation is indeed unwilling to use new technology, especially the more complex ones. Ask 50 year olds why they are not good with computers. Mostly, they'll say they don't want to bother.
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    • #17
      1) Yes...

      2) Less so than the average population...

      3) Depends... I'm over 50 and started using computers before PC's... and stayed on top of technology... And my wife is a Computer Consultant with experience in all forms of computers/technology. We know far more technology then my kids do
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      • #18
        Originally posted by mrmitchell
        Sex isn't the ugly side of life. It is a beautiful thing. People think it's dirty because when they're kids they are hidden from it.

        But AH has a point. Most sex on the internet is pretty ugly.
        I was going to make a caveat about a lot of sex on the internet

        but then you made it..

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        • #19
          of course its also important for parents to cover their own tracks............................
          Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

          Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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          • #20
            Sigh - Ming already beat me to the punch.


            1) Yes...

            2) Less so than the average population...

            3) Depends...
            In my case I'm in my forties, have been a geek since my teen years, have stayed mostly up to date on the technology if not the actual changes themselves, i.e. I don't do my programming in Java but I still program.

            It all depends on your attitude, if you listen to your children and stay interested in what they do, and finally if you are willing to play the proper role of a parent, which includes the fact that ignorance is anything but bliss. I've raised someone else's teens, and they came to my wedding, so I speak from personal experience.

            The porn bit I'm somewhat mixed up about. I was raised by a fundamentalist Roman Catholic father who was very sexually repressed (luckily for me my mother was not quite so screwed up). A little porn might have helped my appalling ignorance the first time I had sex, then again she was experienced, and I wanted to marry her, so it worked out pretty well anyway.

            However, when my wife was in her last trimeter a couple of years ago, I went online for porn for the first time. She had become largely incapable of sex, a hundred pound women with an eight pound baby is both too naseous and too stuffed with the child for much of anything. I talked to her about it, and she was fine with it.

            I was looking for people having a good time when having sex. Well, that is when I discovered about the newish trends in porn that includes the subjugation of the women. There has always been that kind of porn, but it had been a sort of the dirty backwater. Instead it's highly prevalent in online porn, and much of it is quite revolting. My wife found it amusing, because I wanted to see couples enjoying having sex together, and that is very much the exception in the online porn industry. She figured I spent more time finding online porn that I found sexy than I actually spent taking advantage of it. She asked me to figure it out, and I found less the 1% of the online porn actually sexy and good enough for repeat veiwing. :frown:
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            • #21
              yes
              no
              yes

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              • #22
                1. Yes
                2. Depends. Yes in my case...
                3. Sure they lag behind. But it''ll not be as bad with our generation as it was with that before. Take the famous mom-ability to program the video-recorder. We are used to try a bit and see how something works because we're surrounded by technical innovations every day. Especially older women, but many older men too, lack this ability. I don't know it, so I don't touch it...
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                • #23
                  I was always amazed that people couldn't program the time on their VCR. Or maybe that was just a lame joke stand up comedians used.

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                  • #24
                    yeah shawn most porn is about power not sex
                    Any views I may express here are personal and certainly do not in any way reflect the views of my employer. Tis the rising of the moon..

                    Look, I just don't anymore, okay?

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                    • #25
                      That's the ugly porn. The good forn is about fun.
                      urgh.NSFW

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                      • #26
                        The thing that makes tech tech is that it is new. As young people are learning new things faster than old people it is only natural that they are drawn to tech where their lack of experience is minimized while their ability to learn is more valuable.

                        Those who have been around the tech world for a while are also prone to becoming resistant to spending a lot of time learning yet another pile of otherwise useless information which will be almost completely obsolete within five years.

                        That said, my girlfriend's mother is in her eighties and is quite excited about computer technology. In many ways she's a nightmare for the tech savvy relative, as she knows just enough to load a lot of hardware and software on to her system, but not enough to avoid problems with foresight or to troubleshoot them after the fact.
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                        • #27
                          Sikander . I assume you get the honors of fixing all of that, there is nothing like an enthusiatic amateur.
                          The worst form of insubordination is being right - Keith D., marine veteran. A dictator will starve to the last civilian - self-quoted
                          And on the eigth day, God realized it was Monday, and created caffeine. And behold, it was very good. - self-quoted
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                          Mr. Harley: I'm afraid my people haven't. I'm very sorry… I wish it were otherwise.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Dissident
                            I was always amazed that people couldn't program the time on their VCR. Or maybe that was just a lame joke stand up comedians used.
                            I refused for years to learn how the VCR worked, so that my little sister couldn't make me record shows.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by shawnmmcc
                              Sikander . I assume you get the honors of fixing all of that, there is nothing like an enthusiatic amateur.
                              Thankfully she's in Denver and there are two other brothers in law who live closer and take the brunt. But whenever I visit there's some problem that needs a couple hours and an exorcist which she thinks I can fix in the 10 minutes before dinner.
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                              • #30
                                1) Unfortunately, yes.

                                2) Dunno. I'm 24-26 so I can't really relate. I don't have kids. But then again, my thinking is 'so long as there isn't any offspring involved', OR they aren't developing crazy-a** fetishes.

                                3) Pretty sure. Although I gotta give the props to Ming in that he knows more about tech than his kids do. I try to stay on top, but it's too hard what with work, relationship probs, friends, and your own problems to deal with tech probs...unless that's in your field.
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