Reply With QuoteGood thing I didn't claim that the disagreement was going to be that.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
No "expert" is going to say the US and Puerto Rico are the same nation. Especially when it is still a protectorate.
No "expert" is going to say the US and Puerto Rico are the same nation. Especially when it is still a protectorate.Originally posted by KrazyHorse
No, the problem is that even two "experts" are going to disagree about all that ****.
Because the definition is vague.
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Good thing I didn't claim that the disagreement was going to be that.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
No "expert" is going to say the US and Puerto Rico are the same nation. Especially when it is still a protectorate.
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Even in distinguishing between Caribbean nations the definitions lead to results that a great majority accept. You always have contrarians, but then you have then in every field, even those in fields with the definitions are key... like math.
You do realize the defintions are written down and called a 'defintion', right?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
but then you have then in every field, even those in fields with the definitions are key... like math
No you don't
If there is an accepted math definition then no serious mathematicians will disagree over whether an entity fits that definition. Because math definitions are precise. Even as far as social sciences goes, the definition of "nation" is imprecise.
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Is 'ethnicity' imprecise as well now?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
If mathematicians disagree on something like that then they disagree over what the definition should be, not how well an entity fits a given definition
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Yes.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Is 'ethnicity' imprecise as well now?
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Isn't some of advanced math based on mathematicians trying to prove than an entity does not fit a defintion it should? Thereby meaning a changing of the defintion?If there is an accepted math definition then no serious mathematicians will disagree over whether an entity fits that definition.
The best way to argue about a definition is to prove that an entity that should qualify in the defintion doesn't.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
no. not really. quibbling over definitions is rightly considered a waste of timeOriginally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Isn't some of advanced math based on mathematicians trying to prove than an entity does not fit a defintion it should? Thereby meaning a changing of the defintion?
The best way to argue about a definition is to prove that an entity that should qualify in the defintion doesn't.
And again, it's arguing over a definition
NOT arguing over whether an entity fits a set definition
Holy ****, Imran, I've said the same thing 4 times now.
There's a difference between arguing about what a definition should be and arguing about whether something fits a given definition.
The latter is an indication that the definition is imprecise. The former is not.
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If there is no rigorous way to test whether something fits a definition then the definition is imprecise (by definition),
If two different mathmeaticians can legitimately claim "X is not a Y" and "X is a Y" then you have a real ****ing problem.
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And again, it's arguing over a definition
NOT arguing over whether an entity fits a set definition
Of course it is. Arguing over whether the entity actually fits the defintion leads to re-evaluating the defintion. How else do you prove a definition is incorrect?
Oh, and btw, technical and precise aren't synonyms.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
KH, if we didn't have such pointless sh*t like this to argue about, all of the political science degree people will be working at McDonalds.
Oh, wait...
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Btw, KH, if someone came up to you and said there is no French nation, would you say to him that he might be right because there is no technical definition of nationality?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Quebec is not its own nation! They are subordinates.
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Ben Kenobi: "That means I'm doing something right. "
There is a definition of "nation". The definition, like all others, can be argued upon, just like you can argue about the definition of murder, or theft, whatever.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Btw, KH, if someone came up to you and said there is no French nation, would you say to him that he might be right because there is no technical definition of nationality?
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You're a ****ing muppet.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
And again, it's arguing over a definition
NOT arguing over whether an entity fits a set definition
Of course it is. Arguing over whether the entity actually fits the defintion leads to re-evaluating the defintion. How else do you prove a definition is incorrect?
Oh, and btw, technical and precise aren't synonyms.
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No, I would say that he was probably being unreasonable, but that I couldn't really "prove" him wrong in any meaningful sense of the word.Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
Btw, KH, if someone came up to you and said there is no French nation, would you say to him that he might be right because there is no technical definition of nationality?
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If you've ever known Puerto Ricans, you would understand that they can't figure this stuff out, either.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
I can't believe you don't know your country's illustrious baseball heritage.Originally posted by DeathByTheSword
Andruw Jones - Netherlands
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Pro baseball is a really silly phenomenon.
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You see. That's the attitude that gave Washington the Nationals.
Carry on.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Suckas...
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I should say, that's what gave Washington the FIRST PLACE Nationals.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Is it still baseball?
Then carry on.
Well, at least Washington now has 2.5 professional sports teams...
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Hmmm...
Nationals
Wizards
Mystics
D.C. United
Redskins
[The team in the sport that cannot be mentioned currently]
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
Forgot about the Wizards.
3.5
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Hey, the Mystics pack in the fans. Or are women now only half people? Misogynist.
I came upon a barroom full of bad Salon pictures in which men with hats on the backs of their heads were wolfing food from a counter. It was the institution of the "free lunch" I had struck. You paid for a drink and got as much as you wanted to eat. For something less than a rupee a day a man can feed himself sumptuously in San Francisco, even though he be a bankrupt. Remember this if ever you are stranded in these parts. ~ Rudyard Kipling, 1891
If a woman can compete in the men's league then she should be considered a professional.
Otherwise she's just a proficient amateur...
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It's like if midget basketball were a "professional" sport...
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I'm giving the Mystics nothing.Originally posted by DanS
Hey, the Mystics pack in the fans. Or are women now only half people? Misogynist.
Women are chattel...
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