Reply With QuoteI expect classicists will be happy, having found something new to occupy themselves with. I doubt it will have much impact outside of a very narrow band of academia though.
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...p?story=630165
Do read this.
The original papyrus documents, discovered in an ancient rubbish dump in central Egypt, are often meaningless to the naked eye - decayed, worm-eaten and blackened by the passage of time. But scientists using the new photographic technique, developed from satellite imaging, are bringing the original writing back into view. Academics have hailed it as a development which could lead to a 20 per cent increase in the number of great Greek and Roman works in existence. Some are even predicting a "second Renaissance".
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I expect classicists will be happy, having found something new to occupy themselves with. I doubt it will have much impact outside of a very narrow band of academia though.
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Cool!
Can't wait to see if Sophocles managed to spell Tehben's handle properly.
What?
Great. Some of these have already been decoded.
I really hope they find a complete copy of Parmenides' poem, although it doesn't seem as if there was a lot of philosophy in this.
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This is so cool.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree...
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( And it finally gives Classicists something new to debate and argue about! )
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another feather in the cap aerospace... or, why NASA needs another Trillion Dollars!!new photographic technique, developed from satellite imaging
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It's quite sad when you're dissing the organization that is responsible to one of the top ten of your country's legacy achievements.
Well, it's like this: we had decent maps of the whole earth long before the Apollo space mission wonder was completed, but OTOH 30 years after finishing it we're nowhere close to being able to build modules for an interstellar space ship.Originally posted by Az
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It's quite sad when you're dissing the organization that is responsible to one of the top ten of your country's legacy achievements.
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Wow... this is pretty exciting
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
cool! - well found snoopy
from the article and the first time seen by modern eye
'Key words from the master of Greek tragedy
Speaker A: . . . gobbling the whole, sharpening the flashing iron.
Speaker B: And the helmets are shaking their purple-dyed crests, and for the wearers of breast-plates the weavers are striking up the wise shuttle's songs, that wakes up those who are asleep.
Speaker A: And he is gluing together the chariot's rail.'
awesome.
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A second renaissance??
What do they expect to find on those documents? The unified theory of physics? Research notes on advanced nano-technology?
Unless you're Erich von Daniken I'd hardly think anyone would think the Egyptians would offer anything to us that could spark a new renaissance?
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Mind you... it is a big discovery that could yield interesting information...
I'm just cynical about the second renaissance comment... everything else is quite exciting.
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Well, it's like this: we had decent maps of the whole earth long before the Apollo space mission wonder was completed, but OTOH 30 years after finishing it we're nowhere close to being able to build modules for an interstellar space ship.
Under Democracy we have to increase luxury spending to offset the effects of invading other nations. Duh.
It's British journalism. Therefore, it deserves to be overlookedOriginally posted by Dracon II
I'm just cynical about the second renaissance comment...
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I wouldn't hope too much. Most of the philosophers before Anaxagoras didn't write anything or noything mcuh down adn aywa, iirc. Then again you'(ll know this more athan anyone else here.Originally posted by Agathon
Great. Some of these have already been decoded.
I really hope they find a complete copy of Parmenides' poem, although it doesn't seem as if there was a lot of philosophy in this.
Anyhow it would be iunteresting if they could present us with some new ideas. Most of the classical philosoophy is, to my surprise, little knowjn. but does it matterm tha t much when we have aristotle....?
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A second renaissance??
What do they expect to find on those documents? The unified theory of physics? Research notes on advanced nano-technology?
Unless you're Erich von Daniken I'd hardly think anyone would think the Egyptians would offer anything to us that could spark a new renaissance?
Duh. Egypt was Hellenized at the time. A littler matter of a man called Alexandria. Egypt was the centre of Hellenistic culture for hundreds of years: the Great Library was situated there.
Think of us suddenly discovering a trove of lost Shakespeare plays and great art from the Renaissance. That would be an occasion of some wonder.
I wouldn't hope too much. Most of the philosophers before Anaxagoras didn't write anything or noything mcuh down adn aywa, iirc. Then again you'(ll know this more athan anyone else here.
Some of them wrote. Parmenides is one I really want to get the rest of. Empedocles would be nice too.
Anyhow it would be iunteresting if they could present us with some new ideas. Most of the classical philosoophy is, to my surprise, little knowjn. but does it matterm tha t much when we have aristotle.
If some Aristotelian texts came to light it would be a miracle.
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A major part of the Rennaisance was classicism, a renewed interest in ancient history and culture, and an increased scholarship in both. This may well lead to a new outbreak of interest in classical learning. This will also, of course, greatly increase our cultural heritage.
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Not if the people who think all education must be "technical" have their way.
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A littler matter of a man called Alexandria.
Ok you got me. I should proof my stuff. Oh the shame....
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I could have DanSed you.
Let that be a lesson in humility to you, young Jedi.
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You can't DanS someone once they've quoted your post
I think he means Alexander...
Sure this could result in greater historical knowledge and understanding of classical civilization.... but modern society is far, far beyond classical civilization and would not benefit from any major "rebirth" of science, learning and art, that a 2nd renaissance would imply. You might see some smidgen of a renaissance within your own faculty Agathon... but outside society is dealing with problems and implementing projects for which a renewed understanding of egyptian and hellenistic cultures would provide only a marginal (if any) amount of benefit or renewal.
I'm not knocking the significance of the discovery... I'm just knocking the kind of hubris of the idea that these discoveries could spark a second renaissance.
Oh wait... are you saying they were talking about possibly disovering a renaissance that occurred at the time of the parchments... when Greek and Egyptian culture fused? If so I apologize for my complete misrepresentation of the whole thing...
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You can when they forget to include your name because they were too lazy to hit the quote button.Originally posted by Kuciwalker
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You might see some smidgen of a renaissance within your own faculty Agathon... but outside society is dealing with problems and implementing projects for which a renewed understanding of egyptian and hellenistic cultures would provide only a marginal (if any) amount of benefit or renewal.
Well, new discoveries of Shakespeare would probably interest a minority of people, but the value of the discoveries would last as long as we did.
No one is going to care much about obsolete technology 100 years from now. But people will still read Aeschylus.
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