Here's the plan:

THIS IS DOOMSDAY!!!
I have made a detailed Excel spreadsheet on details on our nuclear-building program. As I explained last turn, we will be using the F1 trick to switch builds this turn and also to disband units directly from the city screen (so GS does not notice we are disbanding).
In summary:
We will be building 6 nukes this turn. They will be built in Skulgaria, The Hill, Irongard, Yellowknife, Trafalgar and Killdaria. 26 Artilleries will be disbanded, as will 1 tank and 3 explorers. The targets of our strike will be:
Santa Barbara (land-launched)
Elipolis (land-launched)
Winds of Change (land-launched)
Dissidentville (sub-launched)
Monsoon (sub-launched)
Arashi-Uranium Tile (sub-launched)
We will also be invading Roleplay and hopefully destroying them this very turn. First we will investigate Santa Barbara to see what the defenses are. We have 32 Marines. If those suffice, we will be bombing the city with about 25 bombers, 8 cruise missiles, 25 artilleries, a battleship and 3 destroyers. Shock and Awe™
After that we'll be sending as many troops as necessary from our 13 Transports in Port Isolation. We don't need settlers fortunately as RP cities are all bunched together. Once we conquer Roleplay, the attack on GS begins.
The first city to be nuked will be Elipolis, this is so that we destroy all communications between RP and GS and hence they won't be able to send their army against ours. Along the border with GS we will nuke Winds of Change which is just inside range (that's their Iron Works city btw). Finally, we have 4 subs in our just outside Devil's Horn. 2 of them will sail with a nuke onboard and attack Dissidentville and Monsoon. The other pair will chain a nuke and we will hit the tile between Arashi and the Uranium.
If all goes well, we'll have devastated 5 GS cities including their most productive one, conquered Roleplay and hopefullly established a dominant naval presence in the area between Bob and Stormia. Our surplus troops will board the transports which will begin sailing southwards from Roleplay for a full invasion of GS scheduled for 1360 AD at the earliest.
There is not much more I can say other than tell you guys to cross your fingers and hope that no unexpected twist of fate gets in our way. As it stands, everything is as planned as best as I could and I'd appreciate it if you guys reviewed the sheet, and perhaps we can also schedule a team chat for next turn so we can watch GS and Roleplay's cities go out in a blaze of glory together.![]()
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Here's the plan:
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Looks ok.
Do you have any spare units in the cities, if they get hit by polution & lose some shields ?
"No Comment"

Wow. They have to know its comming....
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Yep, each city has one extra Arty just in case pollultion hits, and another extra Arty also in the unlikely case that Lego destroys itself which would automatically switch our production from wartime to peacetime mobilization.Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Looks ok.
Do you have any spare units in the cities, if they get hit by polution & lose some shields ?
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They definitely might.Originally posted by Donegeal
Wow. They have to know its comming....
The bulk of our fleet is now between Stormia and Bob
If they spied on our cities they'd know we were researching at 100% just 2 turns from now.
If they spied on our cities they'd also know there was no way in hell to maintain so much money with so much going for research, which means someone (ND) has to be sending us money.
If they spied on Port Isolation they'd know we have 13 transports inside.
If they saw our builds they'd find it very suspicious that we were building 2-turn Mech Infs effectively wasting 100 shields.
It is impossible to hide everything but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Our transports were only moved to Port Isolation this turn, I decided to do the unit disbanding on the very turn we get the tech, and I have continued to chit-chat with Cort Haus via e-mail unlike the practically complete diplomatic blackout we had with Lego before the war.
Moreso, it would make more sense for us to just wait a while and have GS and ND smash each other to bits first before we stepped in. Therefore the issue is not whether they see it coming or not, but whether they can imagine that next turn will be the turn we unleash our nuclear arsenal. As long as they still expect us to attack in 2-3 or more turns, we're ok.
Plus, in the event there's not much they can do. They might manage to sink a couple of ships but our subs are safe inside Devil's Horn which is massively defended, so is Port Isolation. Still, until we get the next turn's save with no problems, I won't be able to sleep easily
Also I laid a little "trap" for GS. There's a nuke sub with a destroyer escort between Stormia and Bob. It is well within range of GS's bombers and a GS sub could also attack it. Just to the north is one of our fleets which they can't sink. Seems illogical to have a nuke sub virtually unprotected when it could well have been part of the fleet. If GS sees the threat, they'll attack it this turn, end up giving us a WW benefit, and not realize that the sub was absolutely needless for the nuclear strike.
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The GS/ND war has been nothing more than a diversion. Look at the Lego war. Well thought out with hundreds of units getting killed each turn. The GS/ND has been a couple of bombers and some navel activity.
I fear that we are going to rush our units, nuke the crap out of GS, then get nuked by ND and be walked on.
With both GS and us nuked, what to stop ND from doing this? Perhaps they are even planing this with GS (if you read the posts made by GS in the public forum, they keep talking about how their cities will be in ruin...).
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Because we signed an agreement that will be made public whereby GoW and ND seek a joint victory. No way in hell I'm unleashing a single nuke without that happening.
ND should also be shivering in their underwear. Next turn not only we'll have 6 nukes but we can also choose NOT to send them SF.
This whole alliance business ultimately is based on trust. ND could have hammered us before the Bobian War. We could have crushed them after. ND could have done the same while we were industrializing. Then we could have obliterated them when we built up for the Lego War (when they were industrializing). They could have RoP raped us at any time after wards, same could we. Now we can nuke them at will. The fact that none of us has actually done this means that the alliance is being taken seriously.
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Despite my sarcastic comments in the public forum, the war has gone out quite as expected. Neither ND nor GS have the ability to invade the other by conventional means which is why the war has been limited to the colonies and at sea. And it has not been unsubstantial. The battle for Mecca cost GS a good number of expensive MIs, and the naval battles saw most of ND's surface navy in the southeast sunk.Originally posted by Donegeal
The GS/ND war has been nothing more than a diversion. Look at the Lego war. Well thought out with hundreds of units getting killed each turn. The GS/ND has been a couple of bombers and some navel activity.
What is happening is that both are waiting for nukes before they take any action. Not 100 Marines could suffice for a conventional invasion when the coast cities have Mech Infs and Civil Defenses. Only nukes will break the deadlock, so I truly doubt it's a diversion, especially on ND's part since they didn't expect the war in the first place. (Would we have had our surface navy sunk for the sake of a diversion? Hell no)
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Errm ??Originally posted by Rhothaerill
This is a first for me. Has anyone ever seen a city flip to a civilization that has no cities themselves? Well it just happened to Vox as one our cities flipped to Lego.
Much as it pains me to say it after the help they gave Vox, we have declared war on them and intend to take the city back next turn. There are no battle reports this turn though.
Not that much can happen...
But Lego has a capital, a combat settler, and a small group of 5 infantry & 2 tanks.
What city did Vox have that was full of Legoians.
A city flipping just doesnt sound right.
In fact...I've never seen a city flip in a PBEM before.
"No Comment"
Fixed that for ya.Originally posted by Master Zen
This whole alliance business ultimately is based on trust. ND could have hammered us before the Bobian War. We should have crushed them after for not helping with Legoland.![]()
If it's after 8PM I could attend a chat.
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They never said they were going to help until various turns later. If we were backwards compared to GS circa the Bobian War, ND was even more backwards compared to us. They did not finish their "industrialization" until the middle of the Lego War when we had finished about 15-20 turns before that.
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Btw, good news, Vox suspected Lego's units might go south to attack up but apparently no battle report so no attacks on our colonies.
Since all but Port Sacrifice are defended by just 1 Mech Inf, Lego could have probably captured 1 cities with their 2 tanks (2 if they got real lucky). Wouldn't that have been humiliating? Lose your first city in this game to a civ which doesn't even have a city themselves![]()
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GS has now sent the save to ND... NO BATTLE REPORT
WE ARE SET TO WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Last edited by Master Zen; April 15, 2005 at 21:36.
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OH MAN... AAAARGH, I STILL CAN'T FATHOM THIS...
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRGHHHHHH YEEEEEEESSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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What do you mean, "we won"?
Just because there is no battle report, you think we won? Even after we nuke GS, the game might not be over...
BTW, I would like to attend the chat, whenever that maybe...
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The odds of us losing now are very close to zero now...
Still no chat date since we still don't have the save. But it would be cool if you all posted your times of availabilty. I could pretty much at any hour on the weekend, after 8-9 PM CST on weekdays.
Also ND told me that they also want to make public our alliance as soon as we nuke GS.
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Also I must mention that the above post was written in not an entirely sober state...![]()
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NO.
Alliance must be made public BEFORE we nuke.
NO EXCEPTIONS.
As I said, after 8PM mountain time I can make it on weekdays. Weekends are pretty non computer friendly.
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Originally posted by Master Zen
Also I must mention that the above post was written in not an entirely sober state...![]()
I figured it was something like that.
I dont care when the alliance in announced.
I'd like to join a chat, but I got kids during the day & night is VERY early morning for you guys. (About the same time MZ gets home from the nightclubs)
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That reminds me of that legendary chat with GS when I had arrived from the club kinda drunk and you were also getting buzzed with whiskeyOriginally posted by Hot_Enamel
I figured it was something like that.
I dont care when the alliance in announced.
I'd like to join a chat, but I got kids during the day & night is VERY early morning for you guys. (About the same time MZ gets home from the nightclubs)
Ahhh.. the good ol' days of diplomacy![]()
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btw, "WE WON" post re-edited to reflect reality and sobriety![]()
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We have the save now
I am going to load it up and run through the F1 rushes. Then I will investigate Santa Barbara to see how the invasion of Roleplay will proceed.
In the meantime, we can decide on a time for the turnchat. Available times (in EST) are:
MZ: Weekend all day, Weekdays after 9 PM Eastern
Uno: Weekdays after 10 PM Eastern
Donegeal: ??
Hot_Enamel: ??
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GOOD NEWS
The F1 disbanding worked like a charm and we were able to get all 6 nukes. We did not get pollution in any of those cities, only in Dreadnaughtica which was scheduled for next turn anyway.
And more good news, Santa Barbara is only defended by ONE MECH INF!!! That means we don't even need to spend a nuke to destroy Roleplay.
That's all I'll be playing for now. Hopefully we can decide on a chat date and time for tomorrow or monday
-MZ
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And for some BEFORE & AFTER info, here's the Histograph data:
SCORE
1 - GoW - 207
2 - ND - 176
3 - GS - 111
4 - Vox - 81
5 - RP - 25
6 - Lego - 3
POWER
1 - GoW - 198
2 - ND - 186
3 - GS - 124
4 - Vox - 74
5 - RP - 17
6 - Lego - 4
CULTURE
1 - Lego - 191
2 - GS - 139
3 - GoW - 101
4 - ND - 82
5 - Vox - 61
6 - RP - 29
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I think the times above are about noon for me while I am at work.
I will brouse the forums, but scratch me as a starter for the chat.
"No Comment"

I can't get mIRC or Java to work at this time. Just let me know when it will be played and I'll be posting...
Should we invite Trip?
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sure. It doesn't have to be via IRC either, it can be an MSN or AIM chat. My MSN addy is raguil AT hotmail and my AIM nick is Raguil79..
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btw, considering this will be a very long turn, perhaps I should proceed to invade roleplay and just leave the nukings and naval moves for the chat?
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Speaking of the invasion of RP, what are we going to do if the game crashes after we wipe them out?
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