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"A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.
New Evidence: Shroud of Turin Older Than Thought
Well, well, well. This should help silence some skeptics.Turin Shroud Older Than Thought
By Rossella Lorenzi, Discovery News
Jan. 25, 2005 — The Shroud of Turin, the piece of linen long believed to have been wrapped around Jesus's body after the crucifixion, is much older than the date suggested by radiocarbon tests, according to new microchemical research.
Published in the current issue of Thermochimica Acta, a chemistry peer- reviewed scientific journal, the study dismisses the results of the 1988 carbon-14 dating.
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For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
You shudda added this part:
"A determination of the kinetics of vanillin loss suggests that the shroud is between 1,300 and 3,000 years old," Rogers wrote.
Ahum, that's quite a big window...
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Maybe this is too obvious, but have they checked for any dry cleaner's tags?
Indeed.Originally posted by Tattila the Hun
Ahum, that's quite a big window...
Of course, it is perfectly possible the cloth itself was made in ancient times. That doesn't tell us when the image that appears was put on the cloth. How hard would it have been for someone to break into an old tomb, steal a burial shroud and then put an image on it? At the time the shroud appeared in Europe, there was a "relic mania" going on where merchants were selling purported pieces of the cross, shrouds, bones, etc. At one point, according to church documents, there were at least a dozen purported shrouds making the rounds on the continent, enough pieces of the "true cross" to make a cabin and enough bones of disciples to make an army of giants.
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Exactly. That puts the shroud well within the time of Jesus's death.Originally posted by Zkribbler
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So, the shroud could be the cloth that was wrapped around the body of Christ.
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
So, the shroud could be the cloth that was wrapped around the body of Christ.
And Santa Clause could exist as well.
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?
What?
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For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
People always question and doubt everything they can not touch.
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There is still some dispute. It's kind of like Socrates that his existance is not very well defined. Records are spotty, at best.Originally posted by Richelieu
Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?
“I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”
- John 13:34-35 (NRSV)
And Boris, the technique needed to put such an image on the shroud was not possible until modern times.
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Do you really need a piece of cloth to affirm your faith? Shouldn't it come from something a little less... meaningless? If you believe in Jesus and God, then believe in them. If you don't then don't. Don't let these silly material things influence the supernatural. Personally, no, I don't believe in God. And this cloth has no relevance towards my belief one way or the other.
Originally posted by Richelieu
Is there still doubt that Jesus was a historical figure? Is his existence disputed?
To some extent, yes. Only one contemporary account mentions him, and rather briefly too.
Personally, I find it simpler to assume that the beloved cult leader did exist.
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Wasn't there a lot of cloth around any given year back some thousands of years ago? You know, for people to cover themselves? Just find a piece that is 2k year old and say it's his.
Well, the markings on the shroud are consistent with the details accounted in the Bible on the death of Christ.Originally posted by tinyp3nis
Wasn't there a lot of cloth around any given year back some thousands of years ago? You know, for people to cover themselves? Just find a piece that is 2k year old and say it's his.
As a matter of fact, I don't think there is any other burial cloth that has ever been found that is anything like this one.
You must know that the exact way in which Jesus Christ was killed brought him much more suffering than the way any other person in history has died. His death was the most horrifying of all deaths.
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
That is one rediculously balls-out claim to make.Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy
You must know that the exact way in which Jesus Christ was killed brought him much more suffering than the way any other person in history has died. His death was the most horrifying of all deaths.
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If you want to know exactly what I'm talking about just watch The Passion of the Christ. That movie is closer to the realities surrounding the death of Christ than other movie made about the death of Christ that has ever been made. It WILL SHOCK you!Originally posted by Kontiki
That is one rediculously balls-out claim to make.
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
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Not quite. Certainly it was one of the most horrible.
But it's not about that. It's about that some people die horrible way for their -true or not- crimes. Some people die a horrible death without a reason...
But Jesus was crucificed by people for preaching love.
Not for something bad, not for something wrong, but for something obviously good.
Lorizael; this shroud is important, because it is an evidence for parts of the Bible and Christian tradition, and because it's supernatural cloth, which is a miracle for us all to see.
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Alright, then what could possibly cause more suffering?Originally posted by Heresson
Not quite. Certainly it was one of the most horrible.
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For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Hm... Being slowly eaten by some insects or small animals?
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Herresson, have you seen The Passion of the Christ?
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Originally posted by Mr. Nice Guy
Well, the markings on the shroud are consistent with the details accounted in the Bible on the death of Christ.
Oh, fine, whatever. Why does this matter?
His death was the most horrifying of all deaths.
Hmm. Nah.
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How about years of torture?
I'd prefer crucifixion over say burning at the stake or drawing and quartering tbh.
It's forensic evidence.Originally posted by St Leo
Oh, fine, whatever. Why does this matter?
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
Does anyone here know what means to scourge someone? Think in ancient terms now.
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"And there will be strange events in the skies--signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!" --Luke 21:25-28
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven with a commanding shout, with the call of the archangel, and with the trumpet call of God. First, all the Christians who have died will rise from their graves. Then, together with them, we who are still alive and remain on the earth will be caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air and remain with him forever. --1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
No. I wish I have
He isOriginally posted by Asher
Steve Jobs is the anti-Christ.
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