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    According to an article in the new Discover, natural selection with random mutations CAN produce irreducible complexity!

    Scientists at Caltech developed a program called AVIDA, an " auto-adaptive genetic system designed primarily for use as a platform in Digital or Artificial Life research". It generates a set of random programs in its language, and then makes copies of those programs that perform a particular task. The copies have a certain chance of random mutation. Researchers using this program to create a program that added two numbers found that it resulted in irreducibly complex programs (remove any line of code and it was completely nonfunctional) and beat the odds in doing so.

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    Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
    But only because God created that, too, when he created the entire world.


    Silly Tassadar, you made an Old Earth Creationist troll. Those are so passe. You should be making Intelligent Design trolls like these:
    "That's because our kind God is an active God who gets his daily exercise. He controlled every mutation in that experiment to get irreducible complexity."
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    • #3
      MC Hawking would be proud
      We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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      • #4
        Re: Creationists PWNED

        Originally posted by Kuciwalker
        According to an article in the new Discover, natural selection with random mutations CAN produce irreducible complexity!
        Not really news. Biologists had been pointing this out for years.
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          Re: Re: Creationists PWNED

          Originally posted by Boris Godunov


          Not really news. Biologists had been pointing this out for years.
          yeah, its called Genetic Mutation. We've known about this for centuries.

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          • #6
            Re: Re: Creationists PWNED

            Originally posted by Boris Godunov
            Not really news. Biologists had been pointing this out for years.
            No, most of the arguments against the irreducible complexity show that the things AREN'T irreducibly complex. This is conclusive proof that purely natural selection with random mutation can produce irreducibly complex structures ahead of the odds.

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            • #7
              computer models

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                It's not a computer "model", Berzerker, it's actual evolution in a computer environment.

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                • #9
                  Re: Re: Re: Creationists PWNED

                  Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                  No, most of the arguments against the irreducible complexity show that the things AREN'T irreducibly complex.
                  Not exactly. Some sytems could be irreducibly complex, but they would serve other purposes even if a few parts are missing.

                  Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                  This is conclusive proof that purely natural selection with random mutation can produce irreducibly complex structures ahead of the odds.
                  Perhaps, but it seems rare that an organism would keep something "useless" until it becomes useful via mutations.
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                  • #10
                    The point is this clearly can and does occur.

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                    • #11
                      Digital organisms aren't the same as carbon-based units.

                      Thus, this discovery indicates that irreducible complexity is possible. It's sort of like testing stuff with rats, only a bit further away.
                      (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
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                      • #12
                        It makes irreducible complexity inadmissible as an argument, even as a "god of the gaps" argument, because irreducible complexity clearly can arise from random mutations and natural selection. There are now no grounds on which they can argue that irreducible complexity somehow invalidates evolution.

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                        • #13
                          Erm, computer critters are not carbon critters Kuci. A computer program does not evolution prove.
                          The cake is NOT a lie. It's so delicious and moist.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kuciwalker
                            It makes irreducible complexity inadmissible as an argument, even as a "god of the gaps" argument, because irreducible complexity clearly can arise from random mutations and natural selection. There are now no grounds on which they can argue that irreducible complexity somehow invalidates evolution.
                            Creationists including IDers are exceptional at nitpicking.

                            So we need to do the nitpicking ourselves first to see if anything new we throw into the fray will stand up to attacks.

                            So far the discovery adds something to our side, but it's far from conclusive.
                            (\__/) 07/07/1937 - Never forget
                            (='.'=) "Claims demand evidence; extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence." -- Carl Sagan
                            (")_(") "Starting the fire from within."

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                            • #15
                              It's not a computer "model", Berzerker, it's actual evolution in a computer environment.
                              My fault... just in case you missed it

                              Oh yeah, did life on earth evolve in a computer environment? Maybe Intelligent Design should be taught in schools.

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