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    http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/europe/01/17/eu.nazi.ap/index.html
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    EU considers Nazi symbols ban
    BRUSSELS, Belgium (AP) -- The European Union's top justice official was considering Monday whether the 25-nation bloc should ban the use of Nazi symbols after Britain's Prince Harry wore a swastika armband to a costume party.

    Franco Frattini, the EU's justice and home affairs commissioner, said he was open to discussing the issue at a Jan. 27 meeting of EU justice ministers.

    "It may be worth looking into the possibility of a total ban, a Europe-wide ban," his spokesman Friso Roscam Abbing told reporters. "Commissioner Frattini shares the general feeling of opprobrium on the use of the swastika and other Nazi symbols."

    The call came after several German conservatives, socialists and liberal democrats in the European Parliament urged a European ban following a scandal last week over photos of Harry, third in line to the British throne, wearing a Nazi outfit at a costume party.

    German Socialist Helmut Kuhne called Harry a "royal idiot" for not knowing the consequences and World War II history linked to the Nazi swastika.

    Germany already bans such symbols.

    Roscam Abbing said Frattini would urge EU ministers to use the swastika incident to push for agreement on EU-wide rules to combat racism, fascism and anti-Semitism.

    A proposal was introduced two years ago but discussions have failed to make headway.

    Roscam Abbing said officials would take care not to violate freedom of expression in devising such a ban.

    Frattini's decision to look into an EU-wide ban could further embarrass Queen Elizabeth II, who is to lead British commemorations of the Holocaust in London later this month.
    Why stop at bans on racism, fascism and anti-semitism symbols? Why not tackle the worst problem first... with a Hello Kitty ban???

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    Attempts to stifle free speech
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    • #3
      never gunna happen

      Edit/ Although I'd be interested to see the public reaction in Britain if it's tried. How many people actually would fight for the right to free expression of something they loathed?
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      • #4
        This is one of those things that is a good idea in one case, and almost universally a bad idea in all others.

        I would consider Germany a special case, the rest of Europe doesn't need this.
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        • #5
          Not the EU's business. They can't do that, can they?

          Roscam Abbing said officials would take care not to violate freedom of expression in devising such a ban.


          CSPA

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Gangerolf
            Roscam Abbing said officials would take care not to violate freedom of expression in devising such a ban.


            That was my favorite sentence too!

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            • #7
              I'm all for free speech, but I understand why Europe would want to ban the swastika...

              believing in an ideology like free speech is nice, but it's not wrong to be pragmatic when it comes to something like this... maybe if the Nazi's DIDN't cause tens of millions of deaths, I'd feel differently.
              To us, it is the BEAST.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Immortal Wombat
                never gunna happen

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sava
                  I'm all for free speech, but I understand why Europe would want to ban the swastika...

                  believing in an ideology like free speech is nice, but it's not wrong to be pragmatic when it comes to something like this... maybe if the Nazi's DIDN't cause tens of millions of deaths, I'd feel differently.
                  I agree. Although it can become problematic considering the swatstika was not only used by the Nazis, and in fact has been a prevalent symbol is many societes and cultures for thousands of years. I guess it would have to be banned only in certain contexts, a very tricky thing, which makes me agree with IW that its never going to happen.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar


                    Humanity has caused billions of deaths (much much more if you include non-humans).
                    I propose a worldwide ban of humanity.
                    To us, it is the BEAST.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by JimmyCracksCorn


                      I agree. Although it can become problematic considering the swatstika was not only used by the Nazis, and in fact has been a prevalent symbol is many societes and cultures for thousands of years. I guess it would have to be banned only in certain contexts, a very tricky thing, which makes me agree with IW that its never going to happen.
                      yeah I don't think it'll happen either.
                      To us, it is the BEAST.

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                      • #12
                        Hello Kitty Ban
                        We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution. - Abraham Lincoln

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sava
                          I'm all for free speech, but I understand why Europe would want to ban the swastika...

                          believing in an ideology like free speech is nice, but it's not wrong to be pragmatic when it comes to something like this... maybe if the Nazi's DIDN't cause tens of millions of deaths, I'd feel differently.
                          Then ban the hammer and sickle.

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                          • #14
                            Now ban Tassadar.

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                            • #15
                              The swastika is more than just a nazi symbol....

                              Banning things is usually stupidity anyway.
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