PROJECT: Playtest Thread III

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by Solver
Martin made a mistake with his link. The following link works for me. Unzip the two files into your system folder.

http://apolyton.net/forums/attachmen...postid=3466464

The link should work now from my post as well. And by the way the only mistake I did was to copy it from initial Maq's post without checking. So Maq you should fix it as well.

-Martin

[Maquiladora]

Fixed it and updated the first post with the latest playtest.

[Qumad Al-Riyf]

I get a message I cant seem to quite understand...


We cannot affourd to support so many military unit"s, sir. If you end your turn now, our military leader will brn forced to disband units. Would you still like to end your turn?"



The Empire manager looks like this:


Production
30%

Collected: 6150
--
Crime: 181
Unit Upkeep: 1954
--
City Use: 2233
Public Works: 1782


I'm collecting 6150 and Unit Upkeep is only 1954 how can I then get the message that I cant support them all?
Might not be a bug but only me not to well know with the game tho..

[J Bytheway]

Originally posted by Qumad Al-Riyf
I get a message I cant seem to quite understand...

We cannot affourd to support so many military unit"s, sir. If you end your turn now, our military leader will brn forced to disband units. Would you still like to end your turn?"

Hmm... The calculation is fairly fuzzy and includes a safety factor, but even that scarcely accounts for this large discrepancy. Perhaps there's a mistake in the accounting somewhere. IIRC the calculation for that message is done in a completely different place from the calculation for the actual unit upkeep (the code is full of silliness like that...), so it's possible some change to one failed to reach the other.

[Maquiladora]

I always get that message when I leave my Public Works at 100% for more than a turn, it gets annoying after a while so I turn it off.

[Ekmek]

I think you may still have too many units (your amount might actually be more than 1954, but thats all it can take out of what you collected). then again the AI may have franchises in your cities steal production.

But if thats the case I think this is another instance where we should add more fields to the details. (I'd like to to see fields that showed lose to franchise, gain from franchise, same with other gold stuff just to get a feel about where my stuff is coming and going)

[Qumad Al-Riyf]

Dont think that it's more than 1954 as I'm pretty sure (cant remember now thow, havent had those messages in some decades) that if I pressed the Military Commander (or what ever) it said that the Unit Upkeep was the same as it was stated in the Empire manager.

[Protra3211]

Has anyone played any mods with the playtest. A while back I tried Conquest but it didnt work.

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by Protra3211
Has anyone played any mods with the playtest. A while back I tried Conquest but it didnt work.

Maybe you should be a little bit more specific about what did not work. I loaded and tested a save game from that mod in question and it did work and after some debugging also the Great Leader optaining stuff worked.

-Martin

[Protra3211]

Thank You Martin

I think it was because I used a early playtest. I believe the lastest one has been modified for most mods like Conquest . The mod Conquest would not work at all but would crash when I try to play . A line came on screen MAX MATCH LIST CYCLES NOT FOUND
Will try again with new playtest thanks Martin.
Have been palying the mod without playtest and its a very active game. New units are great along with the new info screen.

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by Protra3211
I think it was because I used a early playtest. I believe the lastest one has been modified for most mods like Conquest . The mod Conquest would not work at all but would crash when I try to play . A line came on screen MAX MATCH LIST CYCLES NOT FOUND

You just could have asked how to fix this, actual it was just adding a line to the const.txt of CTC.

-Martin

[demon59]

I just downloaded, installed, and started my first game with the Playtest build this morning, so forgive me if this is something covered elsewhere in the forums or the readme...I've skimmed, but haven't read everything, yet. To get to the point, I noticed that it wasn't possible to terraform grassland into prairie, to improve production. Is this a bug, or has the ability simply been tied to an advance, as many other terraform options are?
Aside from this, I haven't noticed any problems, and have enjoyed the game. Since I'm not a particularly good player (even against the original AI), my games will probably last well into the modern ages, so hopefully I will uncover any problems better players would miss!

BTW, would someone please point me toward the thread that contains directions on turning on the "logging" function, so if I do manage to break something, I'll have useful info to send?
Thanks for all the hard work, folks!

[Maquiladora]

Originally posted by demon59
I just downloaded, installed, and started my first game with the Playtest build this morning, so forgive me if this is something covered elsewhere in the forums or the readme...I've skimmed, but haven't read everything, yet. To get to the point, I noticed that it wasn't possible to terraform grassland into prairie, to improve production. Is this a bug, or has the ability simply been tied to an advance, as many other terraform options are?

Well done you found a feature, rather than a bug. It was changed to prevent the (unrealistic) mass-terraforming used by the human to maximize production. You can terraform grassland to plains at Agricultural Revolution but will remove roads and basic farms already there.

[demon59]

I thought that might be the case, since the terraform window only offered the single terraform, instead of the three from the original game. Just getting started with the Playtest build, so forgive any further false alarms.

[Maquiladora]

Heres a full list of the changes made to the terrain:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...28#post3528628

[tombom]

Logging can be done by going into ctp2_program\ctp\userprofile.txt, looking for the EnableLogs option and making sure it is yes.

[Protra3211]

Thanks again Martin !

I downloded the latest playtest with new dill files. Then zipped in Conquest mod everything worked fine.

Some notes on the playtest . The AI to AI seems to have some changes. It takes longer for them to consider a cease fire. Before it was around 20 turns now it takes some times around 50. Also depends on personality profile more aggresive ones fight it out longer.The AI is at times is sending boats loaded with at least 3 units . Landing them and then reloading them . I still feel the AI should build more units itwas easy to keep up. But I only played 250 turns and its my first game with this playtest so have to play loger to compare with others.

[Protra3211]

Forgot something . Was at war a civ with a Ceaser personality.I could not get a cease fire so I tried to bribe them with a gift of a hundred gold . This didnt work.
But now they have faith in me must be a bug

[Maquiladora]

I noticed a small bug on the scenario editor, the buttons for placing an Asian style city and Arabian style city are switched.

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by Maquiladora
I noticed a small bug on the scenario editor, the buttons for placing an Asian style city and Arabian style city are switched.

Fortunatly this was just a problem in the gl_str.txt. While I was correcting this I figured out that the strings about city styles and ages were missing from the French gl_str.txt, fortunatly I already had these strings together to add them in French.

-Martin

[Maquiladora]

NM

[demon59]

I'm enjoying the playtest build, so far. Noticed one small cosmetic (no effect on play) bug. When you get notice window for new government type, the government name is missing. Also wonder about rest of text being white on an almost white background (my eyes aren't what they used to be). Buttons still work correctly, as noted, so no real effect on game. See attached image for clarification.
Great work, people! Much appreciated!

(Never "attached" before...hope this works!)

[Protra3211]

Hi demon 59

This playtest seems to have the AI building more cities along with more improvements .
But the ai needs to build more units to beef up their attacks. After 200 turns most ai factions only have around 50 units.
Diplomacy has been good at times. Have had the ai ask 400 gold if I wanted them to leave my land.
Have seen the ai patrol my waters more than before so as to keep me hemed in .
I will wait till I find a bug before posting again. Just wanted to see if anyone has played a full game yet.

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by demon59
I'm enjoying the playtest build, so far. Noticed one small cosmetic (no effect on play) bug. When you get notice window for new government type, the government name is missing. Also wonder about rest of text being white on an almost white background (my eyes aren't what they used to be). Buttons still work correctly, as noted, so no real effect on game. See attached image for clarification.

Actual a bug not a feature, of course some people mix this up. However this problem is already known.

Originally posted by demon59
I will wait till I find a bug before posting again. Just wanted to see if anyone has played a full game yet.

Well that's the problem here, if noone posts that everything is allright how should we know it.

However I would like to know how MP works, if at all.

-Martin

[Uchuu-kun[SM42]]

The AI still doesn't withdraw units when a "Withdraw Units" agreement is reached, nor does a message pop up about treaty violation when they don't. I think it's just not monitoring units already within the territory or something.

[HuangShang]

on mods... some menu text doesnt appear, specificly the select civ (color) missing test can get annoying if sb wants to play a mod in a specific color

[Uchuu-kun[SM42]]

Ah, let me correct myself: The "Request -> Withdraw Units" diplomacy action sets the PLAYER up with a withdraw agreement, not the AI, apparently. I haven't checked if "Offer -> Withdraw" does the opposite, but I will check it out when I fire up CTP2 again.

[demon59]

I noticed during combat, that once I use the bombard command, the units will continue to do so for several turns, unless I cancel orders before I end the turn.
Question: Is a settler supposed to give a population increase if disbanded within a city, or just production gain like other units?

[HuangShang]

o ya, i hope settlers can disband in the next playtest, i've recently played a game on a tiny map, but ended up having so many settlers that have nothing to do

[Martin Gühmann]

Originally posted by HuangShang
on mods... some menu text doesnt appear, specificly the select civ (color) missing test can get annoying if sb wants to play a mod in a specific color

I don't update mods, especilly those that are going to be an integral part of the source code project like GoodMod, the only mod with a modified ldl_str.txt. If you don't like the missing text, go to your ..\ctp2_data\english\gamedata\ directory and open there the GM1_APOL_Strings.txt with any text editor of your choice and remove of some of the file names the prefixes, in particular ldl_str.txt and info_str.txt as well, gl_str.txt has some incompatibilites left, but is a candidate in the next playtest version. I think there are any problems with civ_str.txt.

And of course afterwards you should do a slic reload.

-Martin