A couple o' things

Theben · December 9, 2004, 23:36

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but I didn't see them in the GL, and don't recall ever seeing them before in a game:

1)Partisans built in a city that is taken or disbanded become NON-units;

2)Building Solar Plant alters city supply/demand. Specifically, oil was demanded and immediately changed to spices.

Any knowledge on these items would be appreciated.

solo · December 10, 2004, 10:04

I don't know if Samson tested for solar plants, but I do know that the demand for oil is halved if you build mass transit or a recycling center. It would seem logical to include solar plants in this list and to assume that Samson overlooked them when conducting his tests.

Elephant · December 10, 2004, 16:01

Interesting that Spices emerged ahead of Oil. I did not thing Spice was an easy one to generate demand for.

Theben · December 10, 2004, 19:51

Actually I have to amend that. Oil was supplied by the city, but replaced with spices when the solar plant was built.

Six Thousand Year Old Man · December 10, 2004, 20:10

Originally posted by Theben

1)Partisans built in a city that is taken or disbanded become NON-units;

I thought any units previously built in a city that was later captured, disappeared (unless rehomed). If not, that's a new one to me. Ditto for a city that's disbanded.

Or do you mean Partisans generated by an opponent's capture of your city? Those definitely stick around and are NONs.

Theben · December 10, 2004, 20:14

No, I mean I built them like any other unit, they were homed on a city, and then said city was either captured or disbanded. The partisans stayed around and became NON- units.

Six Thousand Year Old Man · December 10, 2004, 20:20

Originally posted by Theben
No, I mean I built them like any other unit, they were homed on a city, and then said city was either captured or disbanded. The partisans stayed around and became NON- units.

Cool.

I'll have to try that; it could be a useful trick to rush a number of partisans in a poorly placed city, then disband it. Particularly in Republic or Democracy.

Theben · December 10, 2004, 20:59

As an example:

And the next turn:

NOTE: Obviously it's a mod but I've had it for a while and it has always been stable- I've never seen any quirks from it outside the normal civ2 ones... also this is version 2.78.

Elephant · December 13, 2004, 13:33

Makes sense, though - partisans are supposed to be "produced" when a city is captured/destroyed, which would break their support anyway; why not make them yourself?

Interesting terrain graphics, BTW. What's that horse thing SW of the city?

Theben · December 13, 2004, 21:18

The horse is a horse, of course.

The 'thing' is a railroad.

I never liked buffalo as a special so I changed them back to what they were in civ1, horses.

germanos · December 14, 2004, 14:45

Originally posted by Theben
Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but I didn't see them in the GL, and don't recall ever seeing them before in a game:

1)Partisans built in a city that is taken or disbanded become NON-units;

Theben · December 14, 2004, 16:33

Hmmm, maybe someone should test that with the original files to make sure it wasn't an aberration.

EDIT: It would appear that this is the case even with the original files.

germanos · December 18, 2004, 15:31

Originally posted by Theben
Hmmm, maybe someone should test that with the original files to make sure it wasn't an aberration.

EDIT: It would appear that this is the case even with the original files.

tested with 'Cedric's patch' to upgrade 2.42 to MGE, I can confirm that partisans become NON's when their homecity is captured.

Theben · December 18, 2004, 15:50

I find it difficult to believe no one else was aware of this. If someone reads this and knew beforehand, please post here.

germanos · December 18, 2004, 16:12

Well, I must say that I build very few partisans in general. Their stats are not too great given all the other options available at that stage in the game.
And when I reach that stage, it's merely mopping up the resistance, and very few cities get taken

It is great though that after so many years new things are discovered.

*Theben gets an entry in the civII history books

Elephant · December 20, 2004, 13:25

It's not in Nethog's Civ2 Reference, although the x8 for attacks against 0 units is. Try a search for "partisans" and "NON"?

Theben · December 20, 2004, 18:53

I thought it was x4 vs. 0 attack units.

debeest · December 20, 2004, 22:43

So, Theben, what you're saying is, you get NON-partisans? Like in an election for county dogcatcher? Cool!

Heresson · January 1, 2005, 16:44

The partisant thing is something new for me (perhaps because I never build them)

Six Thousand Year Old Man · January 2, 2005, 15:42

I suppose this trick could have been missed simply because Partisans don't become available until the game has progressed to the point where losing a city simply doesn't happen.

yaroslav · January 4, 2005, 12:32

I agree with germanos, I don't build partisans very often. It's nice to discover this, thus. Theben, congrats and good work

germanos · January 4, 2005, 14:08

Yaro sighting

Please contact me and/or SlowThinker with regard to a CivDip 3.0 'bug'

gunkulator · January 4, 2005, 17:26

I believe the partisan bonus vs. 0 attack units is slot dependent. This can be both useful and/or surprising in some scenarios.

Cyrion · January 5, 2005, 02:15

Originally posted by gunkulator
I believe the partisan bonus vs. 0 attack units is slot dependent.

Yes, it is!

Old n Slow · January 7, 2005, 16:13

So build mega numbers of Parts.

Re-home to mini city.

Disband mini city and war with Democracy becomes EVEN easier!

Oh yeah -- we will test this a couple of time tonight for sure. Especially with parts being the preferred method for taking cities -- "No contact" & UN allows war continuance if desired...

Theben · January 7, 2005, 23:19

Tell me how it goes.

I think this might be more useful to scenario designers- I wonder if it's tech-dependent.

Broken_Erika · January 11, 2005, 00:21

Originally posted by Old n Slow
So build mega numbers of Parts.

Re-home to mini city.

Disband mini city and war with Democracy becomes EVEN easier!

Oh yeah -- we will test this a couple of time tonight for sure. Especially with parts being the preferred method for taking cities -- "No contact" & UN allows war continuance if desired...

Cool

of course i never leave fundamentalism once i reach it: