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Yes, this is certainly a game of alliances... much more so than in the past.
we're waiting on muxec, spaced, and jonny, I think.
It's all right though- I was blasted off the net for 1-2 days due to a bad connection- so I wasn't able to access anything online- so I got help on improving the Society program from an expert. (There should be less bugs now)
..so sparrowhawk, what do you think of the program I sent you?
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Very Impressive
One thing I didn't like on first review is it seems to process orders one player at a time whereas in the game you need to be able to process the different segments before moving on to the next (Espionage, then Trade, then Production(Science, Cities, Wonders, Military), then Foreign Aid, then Wars and lastly Taxation.
The way it is set up I had difficulty with moving between the different societies and the different phases. For instance I did a test where Smiley was player one and Muxec was player 2 and they both researched tech 2. For Smiley the cost was 4 gold, for Muxec I couldn't figure out how to keep the cost at 4 gold, it wanted to change to 3 as Smiley had already researched the tech.
(But this is a minor complaint, as I said the program is quite impressive even though you need to tweak it still). I intend to try it with all the orders from Game 4 and see if I come out with the same results as my spreadsheet...though the rules have changed slightly since game 4, so it might not be a perfect comparison). Haven't had time to test in that detail however, hopefully this weekend.
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Well, I can very easily process one stage at a time, all I do is switch between the players.
Right now I have to do the tech thing manually, but I know what I'm doing.
Well, good luck with that Sparrowhawk.
If you could send me your program, I'd really appreciate it!
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Fixed rules again. Added clarifications!
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Hearing that everyone has posted would be Muxec to my ears
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This gets much worse and we'll be playing Society in real time.
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DAY 5:End of A Struggle
On January 1, 1000 AD, The Emperor of the Empire of Enlightenment, Jonny, was executed after troops from the Coven of Hawks descended upon his empire.
In the town square, the General, under orders from Elector Sparrow himself, carried out the orders, putting an end to the life of the tyrant and striking fear into the heart of his ally, the Dictator Whoha of the Most Evil of Empires.
In other events, Spaced Cowboy's scientists, researching nuclear fission split the atom and discovered nuclear power.
Smiley meanwhile, embarked on a massive "family-building program" resulting in the founding of about 12 new cities (give or take) spreading across the landscape.
1000 AD.
Espionage
Sparrowhawk- Sabotauge Jonny's Military Production
Kassiopeia- Spy defends Trade
Spaced Cowboy- Stockpile Spy
Smiley- Spy defends City Building
Espionage End Game
Sparrowhawk's Spy foils Jonny's Army production and recruitment and outfitting of his troops, leaving him nearly defenseless as the hordes of Hawks descend on the land, ravaging it and destroying its crops, placing it under their iron-fisted rule.
Technology
Tech 6 Religion-- Whoha, Vlad
Tech 7 Espionage-- Whoha, muxec, Vlad
Tech 8 Industrialization -- Whoha, muxec, Vlad
Tech 9 Representative Gvt. -- Sparrowhawk, Vlad, Spaced Cowboy
Tech 10 Mass Education -- Sparrowhawk, Spaced Cowboy
Tech 11 Nuclear Fission -- Spaced Cowboy
City Construction
Whoha- -Nuclear Wastes (B2), -Nuclear Tower (B3), -Nuclear Dungeons (B4), -Nuclear Malaise (D4)
Kassiopeia- "Vilppula" (H9). "Oulu" (I11). "Turku" (I10). "Porvoo" (G8). "Viipuri" (I9). "Sortavala" (F9.
Sparrowhawk- Swan B8, Crow B7, Osprey B6, Pelican B5, Pigeon E7, Partridge E6, Bluejay D6, Swallow D5
muxec- -muxeciopolis (G1), -muxecitopia (G2), -muxeciovania (G3), G1,G2,G3
Smiley- -Denver (K8), -Juneau (L8), -Pittsburgh (K9), -Dallas (L9), -Miami (K10), -Tampa Bay (L10),-Boston (K11),-Los Angeles (L11),-San Diego (L6),-Sacramento (A6),-Chicago (A7),-Las Vegas (A5),-Salt Lake City (A4), -Seattle (J7), -Philadelphia (I6), -Portland (H6), -Cincinnati (G6), -Cleveland (F6)
Vlad- H7 Weapons of Mass Destruction, I9 Placeholder, J11 Placeholder 2, K10 Placeholder 3).
Armies
Whoha- 9
Jonny- 44 SABOTAUGED
Kassiopeia- 56
Sparrowhawk- 67
Smiley- 17
Foreign Aid
Whoha sends Techs 6,7,8 to Jonny
Spaced Cowboy sends Techs 9,10,11 to Smiley
Sparrowhawk sends Techs 9, 10 to KAssiopeia
Government Changes
Wonder Construction
JIHAD- Kassiopeia 116
MAFIA- Kassiopeia 165
Wars
Jonny-Sparrowhawk
-Jonny sends 12 armies against Sparrowhawk- but the attack is aborted by GM fiat as he realizes that due to espionage actions hindering his recruting- he is missing a good deal of his force.
-Sparrowhawk sends 67 armies against Jonny
The Players
Vlad Antlerkov-
Dictator of the The Empire of Somewhat Moderately Evilness
-The Evil Capital (J9)
-Citadel of Discomfort (J8)
-ChrisTrubyLand (I8)
-Laughs Evilly (H8)
-You Fail It (J10)
-Weapons of Mass Destruction (H7)
-Placeholder 1 (I9)
-Placeholder 2 (J11)
-Placeholder 3 (K10)
Spaced Cowboy
Emperor of The Empire of the Dudes
-Dude Ranch (J3)
-Cowtown (I3)
-Cowpatty (J2)
-Dallas (I2)
-Houston (K2)
-San Antonio (L2)
-Austin (J4)
-Waco (J5)
-Abilene (I4)
-Sweetwater (H4)
Whoha
Dictator of The Most Evil of Empires
-Medial Nukisatn (C2)
-Greater Nukistan (C3)
-Lessser Nukistan (C4)
-Southern Nukistan (D2)
-Deadly Nukistan (D3)
-Nuclear Wastes (B2)
-Nuclear Tower (B3)
-Nuclear Dungeons (B4)
-Nuclear Malaise (D4)
Smiley
President-Emperor of The United States of Canada
-Montréal (J6)
-New York (K6)
-Vancouver (K7)
-San Francisco (L7)
-Denver (K8)
-Juneau (L8)
-Pittsburgh (K9)
-Santa Fe (L9)
-Miami (K10)
-Tampa Bay (L10)
-Boston (K11)
-Los Angeles (L11)
-San Diego (L6)
-Sacramento (A6)
-Chicago (A7)
-Las Vegas (A5)
-Salt Lake City (A4)
-Seattle (J7)
-Philadelphia (I6)
-Portland (H6)
-Cincinnati (G6)
-Cleveland (F6)
Jonny
Emperor-For-Life of The Empire of Enlightenment
EXECUTED
Sparrowhawk
Elector Sparrow of the Republic (Coven) of Hawks
-Falcon (C9)
-Vulture (D9)
-Raven (B9)
-Eagle (A9)
-Cardinal (E9)
-Seagull (A10)
-Wren (E8)
-Swan (B8)
-Crow (B7)
-Osprey (B6)
-Pelican (B5)
-Pigeon (E7)
-Partridge (E6)
-Bluejay (D6)
-Swallow (D5)
-Siddhartha (C6)
-Gotama (C5)
-Schopenhauer (C7)
-Buddah (D7)
-Lao-Tzu (C8)
-Nietzsche (D8)
muxec
Spiritual Leader of The Not So Bad Empire
-Grand Citadel (F2)
-The Maddening (F1)
-Far Maddening (F3)
-muxeciopolis (G1)
-muxecitopia (G2)
-muxeciovania (G3)
Kassiopeia
Overlord of Imperial Finland
-Helinski (F10)
-Suomithreadii (G10)
-Mänttä (G9)
-Nurmijärvi (G11)
-Tampere (H10)
-Kalevala (H11)
-"Vilppula" (H9)
-"Oulu" (I11)
-"Turku" (I10)
-"Porvoo" (G8)
-"Viipuri" (I9)
-"Sortavala" (F9)
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Here's the map.
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Forgot to change Jonny's colors... since he no longer exists...
Here's the map again.
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Smiley, bro, texas towns are off-limits! Besides, i already had one named Dallas....duh!
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Trade
Whoha (5)---> Jonny (75 gp/125 gp)
*REPUBLIC DOUBLE TRADE * Sparrowhawk (8)---> Kassiopeia (1024 gp/512 gp)
Smiley (8)---> Spaced Cowboy (384 gp/512 gp)
Kassiopeia (8)---> Sparrowhawk (384 gp/512 gp)
Jonny (5) ---> Whoha (75 gp/125 gp)
muxec (6) ---> Spaced Cowboy (165 gp/288 gp)
Vlad Antlerkov (5) ---> Sparrowhawk (200 gp/265 gp)
*SILK ROAD FREE TRADE* Spaced Cowboy (2)---> Muxec (54 gp/54 gp)
*SILK ROAD FREE TRADE* Spaced Cowboy (6)---> Smiley (288 gp/288 gp)
*SILK ROAD WORLD TRADE* Spaced Cowboy (275 gp)
Wonders
Tower of Babel -- Spaced Cowboy (J3) [Dude Ranch]
Colosseum- Spaced Cowboy (I3) [Cowtown]
Trojan Horse- Spaced Cowboy (J4) [Austin]
Acropolis- Sparrowhawk (C9) [Falcon]
Silk Road- Spaced Cowboy (J3) [San Antonio]
Jihad- Kassiopeia (G11) [Nurmijärvi]
Mafia- Kassiopeia (H11) [Kalevala]
Technology
#9 Representative Government (39)
#10 Mass Education (94)
#11 Nuclear Fission (254)
#12 Miniaturization (576)
Code:
Society Cities Tech Army SS Parts Nukes SDI Gold Muxec 6 8 0 0 0 0 590 Whoha 9 8 16 0 0 0 407 :) Smiley 23 11 21 0 0 0 651 Spaced Cowboy 10 11 0 0 0 0 1789 Vlad Antlerkov 9 9 9 0 0 0 399 Jonny X X X X X X X Sparrowhawk 21 10 65 0 0 0 2280 Kassiopeia 12 10 61 0 0 0 1351
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Spaced Cowboy- that was my fault- I couldn't find any names for his- I'll fix it
I think I calculated everythign correct thist time- although Sparrow seems to have way too much gold... but then again he is a republic.
Also- I DID NOT count the caputured cities towards his gold total, so don't worry about that.
Gee- I'm glad that turn's over with. 45 minutes of processing the orders that I could- then 1:30 of manual fixes... then another hour of converting it toward documentable form
But considering my math skills- it's probably still for the best that I have this program!
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shouldn't the silk road be obsolete this turn?
I should have 12 cities in the info listing.
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I think trade happens before research, but definately gone next turn
And Kassi, laid teh smack down on both wonders taht I was trying to build.
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Looks like you didn't update Kassiopeia on the chart.
Also, my gold received from trade with others should also get the benefit of my being in Republic, so I think I should have more gold then indicated (though I admit, I haven't figured out how much I should have...but you did deduct my army support right??).
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ahg, forgot to send in city names, guess DC just flipped open a map.Originally posted by Spaced Cowboy
Smiley, bro, texas towns are off-limits! Besides, i already had one named Dallas....duh!
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And Kassi, laid teh smack down on both wonders taht I was trying to build.
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The ever shrinking space is soon going to raise an issue that has been dealt with differently in the last two games but not resolved in the rules as of yet.
When two societies send in orders to build a city in the same square, the first to send orders would normally get the city (I think). The second to send in orders would then get an alternate site, choosen by the GM in a way to minimize borders, unless the player had given alternate locations.
As we run out of city sites however, there are going to be more requests for new cities then there is available space to build them.
In game 4 the first person to send in orders got the new cities.
In game 5 the total number of cities requested was used to give an appropriate ratio to the societies trying to build in those spots.
What system will be used in this game?
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I thought the game 5 systems was fairer, but then I invented it.
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And I thought the game 4 system was much easier to use, but then again I am lazy
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sent slight modifcation to orders.
fixed Kass's tech lvl and cities... everything else was right in his calcs.
...smacked open a map
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the way I was planning on apportioning out hte cities was to give it half and half- if two people conflicted, the one who first sends in orders gets city A built ... then the next one gets city B...
a simple system... I think.
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Yes, I think the program did that.though I admit, I haven't figured out how much I should have...but you did deduct my army support right??).
[quote]Also, my gold received from trade with others should also get the benefit of my being in Republic, so I think I should have more gold then indicated[/quote[
Since when is that double?
If that's true then your 2250 should be 3057 gold... I'll edit it in after someone confirms that.
Apologies for another rule misunderstanding.
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In rereading the rules on Government and Trade, it doesn't specifically say that Republic has an effect on both trade by the Republic and trade to the republic, so maybe I just assumed this, but I have been assuming it in every game I have been a part of.
MaybeSmiley or Spaced or both can provide some input?
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