Society VI: Clouded Visions

[Vlad Antlerkov]

...you didn't get them because I apparently forgot to hit send...

Yay me.

[DarkCloud]

I wonder what's keeping Jonny?

[Sparrowhawk]

Have you tried PMing him?

[Jonny]

Sorry for the delay... a large part of the family has been here for Thanksgiving, so I haven't had much time recently.

Sent.

[DarkCloud]

Day 3: The Wonders

Trade
Smiley--->Spaced Cowboy (3) caravans [27 gp] (9 gp profit)

Spaced Cowboy--->Smiley (3) caravans [27 gp] (9 gp profit)

Kassiopeia-->Sparrowhawk (3) caravans [27 gp] (9 gp profit)

Sparrowhawk-->Kassiopeia (3) caravans [27 gp] (9 gp profit)

Whoha-->Jonny (2) caravans [8 gp]

Wonders
Tower of Babel -- Spaced Cowboy (J3) [Dude Ranch]
Colosseum- Spaced Cowboy (I3) [Cowtown]
Acropolis- Sparrowhawk (C9) [Falcon]

Technology
#4 Architecture (6)
#5 Geography (10)
#6 Religion (32)

 
    
    
 
      
Society
 
      
Cities
 
      
Tech
 
      
Army
 
      
SS Parts
 
      
Nukes
 
      
SDI
 
      
Gold
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Muxec
 
      
3
 
      
3
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
52
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Whoha
 
      
3
 
      
3
 
      
6
 
      
0
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
48
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
:) Smiley
 
      
4
 
      
5
 
      
0
 
      
0
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
127
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Spaced Cowboy
 
      
3
 
      
5
 
      
0
 
      
0
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
130
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Vlad Antlerkov
 
      
3
 
      
3
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
0
      
0
 
      
71
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Jonny
 
      
3
 
      
3
 
      
6
 
      
0
 
      
0
      
0
 
      
89
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Sparrowhawk
 
      
2
 
      
5
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
0
      
77
 
    
 

    
    
 
      
Kassiopeia
 
      
5
 
      
5
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
0
 
      
0
      
155
 
    
 

   

[DarkCloud]

Map.

[DarkCloud]

DAY 3: The Wonders

And up they did build, up up and to the sky- they knew no limit.

In the ancient age of 3000 BC, the Emperors, Despots, and Dictators made their people research grand technologies and construct grand strucutres such as the unparalleled and unequaled colosseum and acropolis.

Technology
Monarchy- Jonny, muxec, Whoha, Vlad Antlerkov
Architecture- Spaced Cowboy, Sparrowhawk
Geography- Spaced Cowboy, Sparrowhawk

Armies
2- Jonny
2- Whoha

City Construction

Jonny- Schopenhauer (C7)
Spaced Cowboy- Cowpatty (J2)
Whoha- Medial Nukisatn (C2)
Smiley- New York (K6), Vancouver (K7), San Francisco (L7)
Muxec- Far Maddening (F3)
Vlad Antlerkov- ChristTrubyLand (I8)
Kassiopeia- Mänttä (G9), Nurmijärvi (G11), Tampere (H10)

Foreign Aid

Sparrowhawk sends Kassiopeia Tech 4 and Tech 5
Spaced Cowboy sends Smiley Tech 4 and Tech 5

The Players

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Vlad Antlerkov-
Dictator of the The Empire of Somewhat Moderately Evilness

-The Evil Capital (J9)
-Citadel of Discomfort (J8)
-ChrisTrubyLand (I8)

Spaced Cowboy
Emperor of The Empire of the Dudes

-Dude Ranch (J3)
-Cowtown (I3)
-Cowpatty (J2)

Whoha
Dictator of The Most Evil of Empires

-Medial Nukisatn (C2)
-Greater Nukistan (C3)
-Lessser Nukistan (C4)

Smiley
President-Emperor of The United States of Canada

-Montréal (J6)
-New York (K6)
-Vancouver (K7)
-San Francisco (L7)

Jonny
Emperor-For-Life of The Empire of Enlightenment

-Siddhartha (C6)
-Gotama (C5)
-Schopenhauer (C7)

Sparrowhawk
King Sparrow of the Coven of Hawks

-Falcon (C9)
-Vulture (D9)

muxec
Spiritual Leader of The Not So Bad Empire

-Grand Citadel (F2)
-The Maddening (F1)
-Far Maddening (F3)

Kassiopeia
Overlord of Imperial Finland

-Helinski (F10)
-Suomithreadii (G10)
-Mänttä (G9)
-Nurmijärvi (G11)
-Tampere (H10)

[Sparrowhawk]

Looks good .....one question however.......

Did you include my trade income from Kassiopeia in the ending gold? (I would have thought I would have 77 gold right now) .

/me

[Spaced Cowboy]

Before I forget, I sent Smiley techs 4 and 5.

Yeah, we're going to have to help him with the gold calscs

I spent all my gold last turn, hence my gold this turn is

cities: 3*5*5=75
wonders 5^2=25
trade from last turn from smiley = 29

Hence I should have 129 gold.

[Whoha]

sent

[DarkCloud]

Sorry Spaced, I forgot about the wonder.

I've been trying to automate the game with a program and still haven't implemented everything yet- so please bear with me... When I'm actually processing orders it only takes me about 10-15 minutes right now- then about another 5 with the map and 20 minutes with the story. So I think I'll be more efficient as the coding gets fixed.

Eventually I'll be auto-generating the tables and won't have to manually enter things into them as I do now.

[DarkCloud]

Spaced Cowboy

trade from last turn from smiley = 29

I think trade was added- but I would assume you only made 18 gp because both societies techs were 3 when you traded... therefore 9 from you and 9 from smiley. And you spent some of that 9.

I think you forget that you spent some money on the wonder. I'm fairly certain that I calculated trade correctly.

You should have 103 gp... maybe 112 at the most.

Therefore, I fixed everyone's gp- added 8 or 9 to their limits as warranted.

[Spaced Cowboy]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
Spaced Cowboy

I think trade was added- but I would assume you only made 18 gp because both societies techs were 3 when you traded... therefore 9 from you and 9 from smiley. And you spent some of that 9.

I think you forget that you spent some money on the wonder. I'm fairly certain that I calculated trade correctly.

You should have 103 gp... maybe 112 at the most.

Therefore, I fixed everyone's gp- added 8 or 9 to their limits as warranted.

Okay you are not quite getting how this works.

1st, my bad, I meant 27 from Smiley TO ME trade.

Last turn I traded 3 caravans to Smiley....he did the same to me. So during last turn I used the 9 gold profit during the turn.

However, in the calcs for before this turn, aka chart gold, I get the full effect of smiley's trade from last turn, aka 27 gold (cost only to sender).

capesh?

I used all my gold last turn so I should have 127 gold.

[Sparrowhawk]

And ditto for Kassiopeia and I, I think we both used our own trade income but the part that is missing is the other half of the trade income.

(meaning the same as Spaced, I got and used the 27-9=18 Trade Income in my production, I didn't get the 27 Gold from Kassiopeia's trade with me).

Hopefully this is clear.

/me

[DarkCloud]

fixed. I think. Sorry.

[Sparrowhawk]

No need to apologize, I think anyone who has GM'd this Forum Game can agree that this is a difficult one to calculate (and I don't think we have an error free one yet).

I am looking forward to seeing your program to automate the game, as it could help draw new players and make it easier for future GM's.

Oh, and by the way.........SENT!

/me

[:) Smiley]

A GM'ing program, now that's a wonder of the world.

[Spaced Cowboy]

Originally posted by DarkCloud
fixed. I think. Sorry.

Not quite, you have me at 130, I should be at 127

Smiley's is wrong too. 4*5*5=100 plus 27 from my trade is 127 as well. You shorted him a city in the chart.

Also, most of the other ones seem wrong, although I'm not sure if they had gold left over from last turn. Please trust me that if you are having problems at this turn, it only gets worse.

For some reson the biggest error seems to be that you now gave everyone 30 trade instead of 27??

[DarkCloud]

Smiley- spaced cowboy, send me your emails and I'll give you a version of the program.

ah, blst. I'll fix the trade down by 3.

[muxec]

Sorry, was busy at university. Please wait while I'm wasting your time.

[Kassiopeia]

Orders sentimificationazed.

[DarkCloud]

No worries muxec- three others still have yet to send their turns. IT looks like this'll be a slow game.

[Spaced Cowboy]

okay, sent

[Sparrowhawk]

oh oh, I see my gold is now at 74 and I sent in orders to spend 75. While usually if I was only out 1 gold it wouldn't matter too much but in this case I really need that one gold.

I hate to make Darkcloud recalculate again, but I think you had it right the last time (77).

I have 2 cities and am at tech 5 and I am in Despotism.
2 x 5 x 5 = 50 gold. I also received the 27 gold from Kassiopeia's trade. 50 + 27 = 77.

If I only end out with 74 gold I will need to send in revised orders.......please clarify

Thanks,
/me

[Jonny]

Sent.

[DarkCloud]

Fixed everyone's gold now- added 3 to spaced, smiley, sparrow, kass... and 2 to jonny.

Still need Vlad's orders and I'll wait for Sparrow to resend orders.

[Kassiopeia]

Ah, only three. Doesn't change my orders.

[DarkCloud]

other note- fixed the tech prices- becuase smiley has techs 4 and 5, everythings a bit cheaper to upgrade now.

[DarkCloud]

Other note: edited the first post with the new rule-

START GAME:
1 CITY, 15 GP.

Also Clarified some calculations.

[DarkCloud]

Dang this turn was/is a mess.

Tech 4 cost 6 DOWN from 8
Tech 5 cost 10 DOWN from 13/14 (whatever it was)