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  • #61
    the fact, as the Candian example illustrates, is people in rural areas, don't want to be dictated how to live by city-folk. They like living like racist rednecks who hate homos.

    My solution? revolution and form a seperate country

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    • #62
      Yes, let's kick, Kansas, Montana, the Dakotas, etc. out of the country. That way we won't have to pay for their farm subsidies.
      "Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way. "
      -Bokonon

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Dissident
        Antartica is not a country
        Who cares, it's "big" which apparently is something that's very important!

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Kuciwalker
          Good! They're already overenfranchised!

          A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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          • #65
            Kansas, Dakotas, et al have far different concerns than we do on the east coast. why should we dictate their laws just because we outnumber them? they live completely differently than we do.
            "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
            "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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            • #66
              Originally posted by chegitz guevara


              So what? Why should people in rural areas have disproportionate say over the president? Cuz they're more spread out!?! Maybe we should apportion taxes disproportionately based on the EC. After all, greater representation should mean greater taxation.

              Right . . . . . . .


              because we all know that the urban electorate will have the best interests of the rural electorate at heart, if we could abolish the current system.
              A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Albert Speer
                Kansas, Dakotas, et al have far different concerns than we do on the east coast. why should we dictate their laws just because we outnumber them? they live completely differently than we do.

                A lot of Republicans are not racist, but a lot of racists are Republican.

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                • #68
                  Uhhh, that's what state governments are for. All we're talking about is the Presidential election here, not an amendment from the evil NYC capitalists to burn and raze the countryside.

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                  • #69
                    it's one of those balancing acts of a constitutional republic... yes you should have a democracy where the majority makes the decisions but there needs to be checks to ensure the rights of the minority. when you have a situation like america where you have a few million spread out over the west living a life-style completely foreign to the dozens of millions in the cities, their rights will be trampled upon if we have standard democratic representation. that just wouldn't be fair.

                    it's like in Pennsylvania, for example. Philly, Pittsburgh, Allentown, and one or two others (Scranton... i dont know... Erie) probably hold half the population of the state... like people say, there's Philly/Pittsburgh and then there's Pennsylvania. it would be wrong if us urbanites, off of our numbers, got statewide laws passed that harmed the agricultural industry out there.
                    "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                    "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                    • #70
                      The EC is the best deal going. It really does seem to work pretty well in both representing the majority of the people while protecting the interest of the several states. IIRC, only twice has it voted against the overall popular vote.
                      "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                      • #71
                        PLATO:

                        four times... 1824, 1876, 1888, and 2000...

                        3 of the four times, republicans were elected and the other time, it was a Whig

                        Republicans stealing elections

                        got 2 centuries of history
                        "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                        "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Albert Speer
                          PLATO:

                          four times... 1824, 1876, 1888, and 2000...

                          3 of the four times, republicans were elected and the other time, it was a Whig

                          Republicans stealing elections

                          got 2 centuries of history
                          Actually 1824 was a Massachusetts Yankee stealing the election from a popular Tennessee boy...good 'ole Andy Jackson. In addition, in 1824 the EC did not elect the President...Congress did.

                          The 1876 vote totals were never really settled as allegations of democratic fraud and disenfranchisement of republican voters were never settled. An Electoral Commission was establised to decide the issue of disputed electoral votes where different results were certified.

                          1888 and 2000 are the only clear cases where the Electoral College itself overode the popular vote.
                          "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Albert Speer
                            it's one of those balancing acts of a constitutional republic... yes you should have a democracy where the majority makes the decisions but there needs to be checks to ensure the rights of the minority. when you have a situation like america where you have a few million spread out over the west living a life-style completely foreign to the dozens of millions in the cities, their rights will be trampled upon if we have standard democratic representation. that just wouldn't be fair.

                            it's like in Pennsylvania, for example. Philly, Pittsburgh, Allentown, and one or two others (Scranton... i dont know... Erie) probably hold half the population of the state... like people say, there's Philly/Pittsburgh and then there's Pennsylvania. it would be wrong if us urbanites, off of our numbers, got statewide laws passed that harmed the agricultural industry out there.
                            We're talking about equal representation in the presidential election.

                            The electing of the president has nothing to do with taking care of "minority rights." All it does is give the Republicans free electoral votes since all of the states that have population less than their votes in the West are conservative.

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                            • #74
                              the point is, Republicans have won every disputed election
                              "Flutie was better than Kelly, Elway, Esiason and Cunningham." - Ben Kenobi
                              "I have nothing against Wilson, but he's nowhere near the same calibre of QB as Flutie. Flutie threw for 5k+ yards in the CFL." -Ben Kenobi

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Trip

                                The electing of the president has nothing to do with taking care of "minority rights."
                                While this is correct, it does have a lot to do with States Rights.
                                "I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration." - Hillary Clinton, 2003

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